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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: hifimad on November 06, 2018, 07:21:51 PM
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I have seen on the news a video of a mock up of grenfell tower placed on a bonfire while people in the background can be heard making tasteless comments and laughing, also while someone was pretending to be shouting for help another person can be heard saying just stay where you are, which could be classed as satire.
Whie i consider the idea of people laughing and making jokes about it repellant i hardly think it is a matter for the police, however if it is a matter for the police then i suggest that events that happened in the aftermath of the death of Margaret Thatcher should also be investigated, there were scenes on the tv of mass jubilation, shouts of "maggie maggie maggie dead dead dead", the public burning of an efegy of her, though i personnaly was not offended by any of this, i feel sure there are other people who were deeply offended including friends and members of her family, i think the public aprobation these morons will deservedly get for their tastless grenfell mock up will suffice,in the meantime let the police get on with sorting out rapes, burglaries, kinfe crime and acid attacks instead of wasting their time with these idiots.
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I have seen headings on the burning of the Tower block - why was it done, for what reason?
Sorry for my ignorance. I haven't read the write ups!
Totally out of order doing this, ignorant neanderthals, with pea brains and no purpose in life.
If they are not being prosecuted they should be!
Maggie Thatcher, not a fan of hers. Domineering, thoughtless apology for a human being.
I didn't agree with the actions and behaviors of some when she died though. Respect to the people who were unfortunate to be in her family!
At a time when we are remembering the people who fought for us over the years I listen to the news and think what would these men and women think of us now - sometimes I feel so ashamed!
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not a fan of thatcher myself, as regards the grenfell mock up the people who did it are accused of a public order offence as a result of causing offence and distress, while i agree they have no doubt done this the reactions to thatchers death will have caused equall offence and distress to some people, so if our laws are to at least appear equitable then everybody involved in the thatcher efigy burning should be equally held to account, which should prove interesting as the police will need to arrest the entire poulation of a yorkshire village rather then just the six morons involved in the grenfell mock up.
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not a fan of thatcher myself, as regards the grenfell mock up the people who did it are accused of a public order offence as a result of causing offence and distress, while i agree they have no doubt done this the reactions to thatchers death will have caused equall offence and distress to some people, so if our laws are to at least appear equitable then everybody involved in the thatcher efigy burning should be equally held to account, which should prove interesting as the police will need to arrest the entire poulation of a yorkshire village rather then just the six morons involved in the grenfell mock up.
Good point hifimad again I suspect it is a different way of looking at things for some.
However Thatcher was a person who gave so much hardship and damaged to so many communities back then but never personally disrespected them - she got away with it in the name of 'Politics' just as the current Government will get away with putting so many people into so much distress that they committed Suicide but they will get away with it.
The deaths caused by the fire in the Grenfell Tower was a terrible situation and not to be made a mockery of, and disrespect those who died or survived it.
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Good point hifimad again I suspect it is a different way of looking at things for some.
However Thatcher was a person who gave so much hardship and damaged to so many communities back then but never personally disrespected them - she got away with it in the name of 'Politics' just as the current Government will get away with putting so many people into so much distress that they committed Suicide but they will get away with it.
The deaths caused by the fire in the Grenfell Tower was a terrible situation and not to be made a mockery of, and disrespect those who died or survived it.
my personal view is that thatcher deserved the celebrations of her death and the people who died at grenfell did not, but in the eyes of the law both are subject to the protection of the law and the law should be applied either equally or not at all.
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my personal view is that thatcher deserved the celebrations of her death and the people who died at grenfell did not, but in the eyes of the law both are subject to the protection of the law and the law should be applied either equally or not at all.
As an ex miner, I won't say Thatcher 'deserved' anything, but it was to be expected for someone heading and carrying out a campaign to ruin the lives of so many working people. Anyone in a prominent position is going to get abused verbally by the louder community etc.
I have quite a sick sense of humour at times, but this is something I didn't find funny in the slightest, or share on my Facebook timeline.
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It was to be expected Fly but didn't make some things right. Respect to her family should have been given by those who went over the top in their hatred of her.
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I may have clicked the like button to many a thing in the past, it doesn't mean that the things were right.
That's where the unknown line between humour and bad taste lies. It's in a different position to us all.
I've always liked Alsatians jokes, but I remember a previous place where someone didn't.
Keep up the good work Alsation >;
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As this post seems connected to the fireworks post, I heard it mentioned many times {not quite so much now} these people need a good sharp shock, and the two remedies that always seemed to be bandied about was:-
Bring back Borstals and National Service. Maybe not very popular in this day and age but something has to be done.
No... I never did either and from what I heard of borstals they were far from nice places, as for National service I was too young but wanted to join the regular army on leaving school {unfortunately an early mishap in my childhood put paid to that dream}
Apparently one of the reasons for scrapping NS was it was taking a [large] much needed workforce away from industry and this was causing a knock on effect throughout the country, we obviously wouldn't struggle with that now.
Borstals, on the other hand, would probably work better now than they did then.
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Maybe the bringing back the National Service is a good idea given what it is currently like in the UK.
Borstal - not so sure.
Whilst a don't agree with allowing people who have broken the law to roam free I think the whole of the Prison Service needs a complete re-looking into as does the release of prisoners which lets so many down on release
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I may have clicked the like button to many a thing in the past, it doesn't mean that the things were right.
That's where the unknown line between humour and bad taste lies. It's in a different position to us all.
I've always liked Alsatians jokes, but I remember a previous place where someone didn't.
Keep up the good work Alsation >;
I remember that well also! Yes I intend to carry on!
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I remember that well also! Yes I intend to carry on!
Good doggy :)) ;D
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as i recall borstals and the so called short sharp shock have been discredited on the grounds that the these regimes were actually teaching the youngsters how to be better criminals, i also understand that the top brass in the forces are not keen on conscripts as it would water down the professionalism of the type of people the forces take in, also after the criminal element have served their two years, you will be realeasing back into society a far more efficient killing machine, and lets not forget knife crime and violence in young people is not a new phenomena, go back to the 50s and 60s when we had teddy boys walking round with flick knives and cut throat razors, also the level of football violence in the 70s and 80s was out of control, when older people talk obout young people they always pick on the bad behaviour while completely ignoring the fact that the majority of young people are well behaved.
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I would agree that most young people are well behaved hifimad and I suspect some of today's problems are born from poor parenting.
The internet has taken over and it is easier to sit a child in front of the TV or shove a game console into their mitts.
Back in my fostering days we had children who through no fault of their own struggled to live within a family life.
I found taking the children 'back to basics' of parenting worked.
I always found time for them and we went out to playgrounds, I shinnied them up to the first branch of a tree ( pretty exciting for a child who has never done that). Put wellies on them and went to the river in the village with a fishing net, sarnies and pop in a bag for their lunch.
I frequently took 3 adolescent boys and my daughter to Clumber Park with a picnic packed, swing ball, cricket set and football went with us too.
One rainy school holiday I sat three lads round the table and we played board games all day - they loved it.
Yes sometimes I needed to tell them off but that was all - it really isn't needed to physically abuse a child for misbehaving.
I might sound old fashioned with the above but I know it worked - as they still come back or keep in touch!
I think the whole system of Prisons need looking into ( in fact I'm speaking to someone in a few days on this very issue )
Signing up - some good points there regarding after their two years but if that is what happens then the object of it isn't working is it and that also needs looking into.
It is intended into men not thugs and give them life skills!!!
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I do see your point hifimad.......
But, like Borstals, aren't the prisons of today doing exactly the same thing? at least Borstal inmates were all of a certain age and not picking up more bad habits from habitual " old lags".
Also as regards the army, at this point in time they are massively undermanned and have been for some time. During the war "cannon fodder" was made up of prisoners being released from jail to serve in His majesty's armed forces, plus at lot of wrongdoers on the run joined up to avoid prosecution.
Teddy boys {one of my older brothers was one} yes they caused trouble but 99% of the time it was amongst themselves and yes it was troublesome but they didn't break into pensioners houses and beat them half to death, or kill innocent civilians being chased by police cars, or lay all over the streets in a drug crazed stupor.
I was a teenager in the 60's I guess you could say I was a mod, not because I wore that label, but basically because that's how I dressed, I didn't own a motorbike and I couldn't understand why anyone would walk about in leather all day {especially in hot weather}
I guess one might say mine was the 1st generation to "have it all" we had world peace to a certain degree, we had jobs to go to on leaving school, we had money in our pockets, people were buying houses, having telephones installed and if you were really "well off" you had a car, the world was coming on apace, we were living in exciting times.
It wasn't utopia by any stretch but I wouldn't have changed this era for anything.
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Agree with you Sorastro.
I was also a Mod and remember the fights between the Teddy Boys.
I always say I came in with the Beatles - as in the 60's You are correct in saying it was a great time.
I find today in the UK quite sad in some instances. The importance of Family life seems to have dwindled and I cringe when I hear children being shouted and sworn at or given a game console to play with - we are creating lost soles where excitement is from crime or drugs.
Prisions can't cope and putting drug offenders into them isn't the answer - they get drugs in prison!
To me if a person goes into prison it should be for a re-educating, a training of life skills and preparation to go out to work - only there are no jobs for many, and from what I am learning little help once ou,t only sanctions if they fall foul of the conditions they are out on.
Surely that means the system isn't working?
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I always found time for them and we went out to playgrounds, I shinnied them up to the first branch of a tree ( pretty exciting for a child who has never done that). Put wellies on them and went to the river in the village with a fishing net, sarnies and pop in a bag for their lunch.
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i am sorry about this but i have to laugh, in the childrens home i was bought up in we had a tree in the garden and one day i decided to climb it, i was about eight at the time the man who ran the home called me down and on doing so i was trated to a comprehensive beating on the grounds i could have fallen and got injured, which i did though not through falling out of the tree, oh what glorious times they were in the early sixties.
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I didn't work in a childrens home.
The children lived with me in my home and not ever were they abused in anyway. They were looked after as I looked after my own and told off if needed.
I know you had a bad life back then and it should never have happened.
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the really troubling thing is he was a fully paid up member of the hangem and flog em brigade and he was always going on about bringing back conscription and the birch and even worse an avid reader of the daily mail, i must admit i have modelled myself on him, by being the anithesis of everything he did and stood for, when i hear people banging on about conscription and the birch and hanging i can hear his sanctimonious rantings coming through the ether like it was yesterday.
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the really troubling thing is he was a fully paid up member of the hangem and flog em brigade and he was always going on about bringing back conscription and the birch and
even worse an avid reader of the daily mail, :)) :)) Now it's my turn to laugh - sorry :))
i must admit i have modelled myself on him, by being the anithesis of everything he did and stood for, when i hear people banging on about conscription and the birch and hanging i can hear his sanctimonious rantings coming through the ether like it was yesterday.
You are obviously a fighter hifimad and the fact you allow yourself to remember things is very positive.
Sadly I think you will never get justice but being live your life and don't let the past spoil it x
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"even worse an avid reader of the daily mail" do not apologise for laughing it was put in to be lighten my post a bit, though it is true he did read that right wing rag and would often read us articles from it at the breakfast table, usually the articles he chose to read were of a negative nature towards ethnic minorities and how the young were all thugs and those that were not were wasters and how the country was going to pot as a result. it was not all bad he loved to go on about the war and how people like him had saved us from the scourge of natziism, when i was fifteen at school we learned about oswald mosley who was a acolyte of hitler, and how he was keenly supported by the mail and other papers, at one meal he was reading us some guff from his rag and i intergected and pointed out how his rag had supported Mosly and so by proxy hitler, and so anyone who read it was obviously a supporter of hitler he went beserk at me, but it was worth the backlash.
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"even worse an avid reader of the daily mail" do not apologise for laughing it was put in to be lighten my post a bit, though it is true he did read that right wing rag and would often read us articles from it at the breakfast table, usually the articles he chose to read were of a negative nature towards ethnic minorities and how the young were all thugs and those that were not were wasters and how the country was going to pot as a result. it was not all bad he loved to go on about the war and how people like him had saved us from the scourge of natziism, when i was fifteen at school we learned about oswald mosley who was a acolyte of hitler, and how he was keenly supported by the mail and other papers, at one meal he was reading us some guff from his rag and i intergected and pointed out how his rag had supported Mosly and so by proxy hitler, and so anyone who read it was obviously a supporter of hitler he went beserk at me, but it was worth the backlash.
See you are a fighter!! - I was right ;)