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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Pete on March 11, 2013, 08:14:34 PM
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Looks as though the council have turned down plans to convert the Crispin into another Tesco.
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http://on.fb.me/YWqrCg (http://on.fb.me/YWqrCg)
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We've had this conversation before I'm not sure they can turn it down as it's not a change of use. I will try and find the relevant minute and investigate
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http://www.chesterfield.gov.uk/Search-Planning-Applications-653.html (http://www.chesterfield.gov.uk/Search-Planning-Applications-653.html)
Appears that T**** have made application to make various alterations to the building. These were discussed at a planning meeting today.
The officer involved (Paul Staniforth the #1 guy in planning) recommended that the councillors agree to the knocking down of the conservatory and the installation of bollards and the ATM's but rejected some other proposals. This doesn't save the Crispin it just means that T**** can't make it look like they wanted to.
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Just read that Tesco have backed off and the Crispin is safe. :)
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I reckon Tesco need to concentrate on making more profit on what they have.
Pleased it's not going ahead
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Also, lets hope the landlord and locals make a go of it.
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Just seen this on Facebook from Toby Perkins - "GREAT NEWS! Have had a phone call from Tesco to say that they wont now be going ahead with the plans to turn the Crispin into an Express store. They were very taken with the strength of the community campaign, thanks to everyone who attended the meetings at my office, joined the Facebook group, signed the petition, attended and organised the public meetings.
It has been a real community effort to Save the Crispin and we have achieved between us all what many people thought would be impossible, well done all, I hope that Enterprise will now enter into dialogue to secure the long term future of the pub. WELL DONE AGAIN TO EVERYONE!"
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Lets hope the Somerset House in Calow can be saved too. Enterprise Inns as well (same as Crispin). As Toby Perkins was involved, I, and at least one other person are consulting with Dennis Skinner to see if he will lend similar support.*
The Somerset House has done very well recently - new management going in tomorrow & apparently open for another 6 months approx. I don't think Tesco can commit themselves to potential pub conversions until the investigation into their profit projections is sorted. That may take some time. Money they can't/perhaps afford to spend pending the investigation.
*I know Dennis doesn't interest himself in planning applications, but despite council concerns & thousands of signatures - the final appeal by Tesco to Whitehall was upheld.
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As much as we want to welcome this 'power to the people' victory, small convenience type shops are still the route forward that the big 4,are going to take. So as Scimitar says once T*****'s new chief exec has them back on track they will be returning to this policy. The battle may be won but the war is far from over.
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As much as we want to welcome this 'power to the people' victory, small convenience type shops are still the route forward that the big 4,are going to take. So as Scimitar says once T*****'s new chief exec has them back on track they will be returning to this policy. The battle may be won but the war is far from over.
Don't worry, I know that - the Co-op are doing the same - going back to their having a shop in every village seemingly. It's like turning the clock back 50 years. Spital Hotel, Goldminers Newbold, a new build in Tishelf (former "Slap & Tickle" pub., The Wellington New Whittington.
I don't quite know if this will sound right, but I guess the Co-op seems to be more acceptable than Tesco in these situations, although both businesses are troubled.
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I think if Tesco really wanted it they would get it, they know that councils cannot gamble the amount legal fees could potentially cost to fight it all the way to the top.
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Tesco had both - tooth and nail.
But backed out of the Crispin.?
Yet Somerset House had many more objectors than Crispin & Tesco win.
Notwithstanding the access to CNDRH blah blah.
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The Somerset House new management going in tomorrow ?
what is happening to Jayne?
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The Somerset House new management going in tomorrow ?
what is happening to Jayne?
Don't know - they just have Severn's bar left AFAIK.
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It seems curiously enough that we have got our wish granted. Enterprise Inns no longer own the Somerset House. It has been bought by another brewery and is under new management. ;D
It appears that the business dealings between Tesco & Enterprise are being investigated due to alleged underhand practice, or so I'm told.
This appears to be the reason behind the Crispin getting its reprieve as well - Tesco pulled out for a reason.
What this all means in terms of the Crooked Spire pub refurbishment (owned by Enterprise) I'm not sure, but I can't say that I've seen anyone working in it all week.
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It seems curiously enough that we have got our wish granted. Enterprise Inns no longer own the Somerset House. It has been bought by another brewery and is under new management. ;D
It appears that the business dealings between Tesco & Enterprise are being investigated due to alleged underhand practice, or so I'm told.
This appears to be the reason behind the Crispin getting its reprieve as well - Tesco pulled out for a reason.
What this all means in terms of the Crooked Spire pub refurbishment (owned by Enterprise) I'm not sure, but I can't say that I've seen anyone working in it all week.
(y) :)
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Best of luck to the Crispin and the Somerset. Crooked Spire too for that matter ;)
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What he said ;D
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There's a further complication it seems..........
I'll be back
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Enterprise Inns still own the Somerset House. Their dealings with Tesco have ceased. The Pub has new management. Similar to Toby Perkins involvement with the Crispin, & their subsequent success - myself and another decided to contact Dennis Skinner.
We've both had replies to the effect that he opposes the Tesco takeover, & he is in touch with Tesco & hopes to be able to reply shortly.He intimated there should be a Christmas present to the peoples of Calow from Tesco. We'll wait & see.
I also heard they've built 2 new huge supermarkets (don't know where), which are currently not open for business but should be.
That's all i know for now.
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The way that they treated the ex-landlady,maybe the Somerset House should be boycotted?
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The way that they treated the ex-landlady,maybe the Somerset House should be boycotted?
This I don't know about. Perhaps you could enlighten us?
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Kicked out of both of their pubs?
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Kicked out of both of their pubs?
By Enterprise Inns? Do you know why?
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Maybe revenge for fighting back,a bit unfair just before christmas which is the busiest time for any pub or restaurant
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Maybe revenge for fighting back,a bit unfair just before christmas which is the busiest time for any pub or restaurant
I can see your point on that one
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Somerset House has been saved. Tesco have backed down. Big thanks to Dennis Skinner after contact from my mates letter. And to a lesser degree my e-mail to Dennis. Happy Days :D
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Surely a couple of pub transformations wouldn't have been affected by a company of that size's dodgy profit reports.
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It now looks like The crispin, ashgate road, chesterfield is set to become a CO-OP
Plans have been submitted to CBC to make alterations to the pub.
As far as i can tell, these plans are pretty much the same as what Tesco wanted to do. ?
So why has no one raised any objections to the CO-OP turning this pub in to a shop ?
A local group of people by the collective name of "save the crispin" went all out protesting, to prevent this pub from becoming a Tesco, but now that it is to be a CO-OP they couldn't give a toss !
As i, and many others suspected from the start of their "save the crispin " campaign, .. they were not really bothered about "saving the crispin", THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TESCO TO HAVE IT !!! in fact none of this grey bearded pedal pushing group ever frequented the pub when it was open!!. So come on what's the difference between Tesco turning the pub in to a shop & The CO-OP ?
Plans can be viewed here .. https://publicaccess.chesterfield.gov.uk/online-applications/ enter postcode S40 4AW , the crispin plans should be at the top of the list.
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Probably cos if someone doesn't take it over soon, the place will get fired/gutted, then probably sold as building land for houses. May as well be a shop. No one likes pubs closing, but if people don't use them they shut. FACT !
On the bright side, it will employ people (y)
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A year or two ago everyone was against Tesco and their taking seemingly taking over of pubs to open supermarkets.
I get where you are coming from Tarzan in regards to 'it's still going to be a shop'
Sometimes people get these ideas but they take a lot of fighting and they get disillusioned eventually losing interest or just feeling they won't win the battle.
Like Fly says at least the building stays - but is that not a defeatist way of thinking?
As always - use it or lose it --------
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Pub has been shut for ages now hasnt it...not much point in protesting against something if the alternative is just a building sat their unused and empty. Probably only a matter of time before it was broken into, vandalised etc.
The protests against Tesco were all a bit pointless as well...the pub hadnt been busy in ages yet all these people didnt want it changing to a shop. If all of them used the pub a bit more then it wouldnt have been in the position where it was under threat to start with. Pub company wouldnt shut a pub that is making money.