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therealjr

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The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« on: January 22, 2012, 12:21:20 AM »
Are we in another one of those periods of history repeating itself?
It seems to me that we are back in the same place as we were in the 80's.
We have a devisive government under whose control the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. But also we have a leader of the opposition who finds himself at odds with the grass roots of the party and unable to offer a credible alternative.
Is the Talking Horse Neil Kinnock re-incarnate?
And if he is then it took John Smith to start the modernisation of the Labour party and Teflon Tony to take it on by abolishing Clause 4.
What do our socialist correspondents think its going to take this time?
Presumably the Labour party can't move any further to the centre or they will simply become light blue instead of red but surely a turn to the left will see them un-electable again in Middle England which will leave them out of power for another 10-15 years.
how are the Labour party going to get out of it this time?
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Re: The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 08:52:17 AM »

We have a devisive government under whose control the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.

Anyone can put a few words together to form political rhetoric, but it doesn't mean anything. Every independent economic report looking at the past couple of decades shows that the the gap between the rich and more widened under Labour so what evidence have you got to back up your comments.

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Re: The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 09:54:11 AM »
2011 echoed 1981 with the riots and high unemployment particularly amongst the young. Maggie saved herself invading the Falklands which for some strange reason got a lot of public support. Not sure if Libya and Afghanistan will do the same job for Dave.

Labour is not as far behind as back then, only the LibDems are keeping the Tories in power and as the local elections showed the people are turning against them.

Miliband is not a dynamic leader and he doesn't come over well as a speaker. We need a move to the left not the centre or the unions will turn their back. Can't see their being a very high turnout for the next election either though. Saying that though the local party is stronger than for some years.

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Re: The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 10:05:38 AM »
>> We need a move to the left not the centre or the unions will turn their back.

Are you sure? Without Labour the unions have no voice in politics - except perhaps to exercise their right to strike...
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Re: The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 10:20:24 AM »
2011 echoed 1981 with the riots and high unemployment particularly amongst the young. Maggie saved herself invading the Falklands which for some strange reason got a lot of public support. Not sure if Libya and Afghanistan will do the same job for Dave.

No they won't. The past few years we have gone from boom to bust so the last thing people want is to get involved in wars that are nothing to do with us. At the time of the Falklands though, we had already had quite a few years of bust, and people were starting to feel a bit more optimistic, the war was the catalyst for that.

Labour is not as far behind as back then, only the LibDems are keeping the Tories in power and as the local elections showed the people are turning against them.

Miliband is not a dynamic leader and he doesn't come over well as a speaker. We need a move to the left not the centre or the unions will turn their back. Can't see their being a very high turnout for the next election either though. Saying that though the local party is stronger than for some years.

I think the union movement is slowly dying, a move towards them would be seen as bad with the public, but without them Labour struggle financially. That is the predicament they are in.

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Re: The 80's all over again. For Kinnock read Milliband?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 04:50:53 PM »
There are several left wing parties but no single strong ones for unions to back as an alternative. I am a member of the LRC which is a left wing group within the Labour Party

 

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