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Title: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on August 09, 2018, 10:12:29 AM
As most people on the other forum knew, I very rarely get into discussions about politics, as everyone knows, your views, liberal or otherwise, will no doubt offend someone so you can't win, in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don't but in the case of Boris v's the burka that's in the news I can actually see where he's coming from. He, I believe, is just saying what most people are thinking and is being pilloried for it. Don't get me wrong I'm far from being a fan of Boris's {or any politician for that matter} but I believe he has a point.

First of all the "letter box" and "bank robber" remarks are not aimed at the burka {as reported in the media} I believe he is referring to, or SHOULD be referring to, women wearing the niqab. Although both closely resemble one another the burka covers the eyes with a mesh type cloth that the ladies look, or more likely squint, through, the niqab leaves the eyes uncovered. If I were to walk into a bank or say air terminal wearing a crash helmet and I refused to take it off how far do you think I'd get, yet this is no different, apart from the fact they seem to be under protection from a religious point of view so therefore they are more or less untouchable. A couple of years ago I was at traffic lights in Derby and a school of motoring car came out of a side street and passed me, the "learner" was wearing a niqab and I watched as she negotiated that tight turn, talk about tunnel vision you could see she had limited vision to see anything so had to keep turning her head, her peripheral vision would be almost nil so god help anyone in her blind spot. 

These woman I suspect would dearly love to stroll about in western clothes if given the chance but most say I dress like this for my religion but I think they are still in a society were the men make [all] the decisions and this could be seen as being oppressed.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Scimitar on August 09, 2018, 03:59:09 PM
As most people on the other forum knew, I very rarely get into discussions about politics, as everyone knows, your views, liberal or otherwise, will no doubt offend someone so you can't win, in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don't but in the case of Boris v's the burka that's in the news I can actually see where he's coming from. He, I believe, is just saying what most people are thinking and is being pilloried for it. Don't get me wrong I'm far from being a fan of Boris's {or any politician for that matter} but I believe he has a point.

First of all the "letter box" and "bank robber" remarks are not aimed at the burka {as reported in the media} I believe he is referring to, or SHOULD be referring to, women wearing the niqab. Although both closely resemble one another the burka covers the eyes with a mesh type cloth that the ladies look, or more likely squint, through, the niqab leaves the eyes uncovered. If I were to walk into a bank or say air terminal wearing a crash helmet and I refused to take it off how far do you think I'd get, yet this is no different, apart from the fact they seem to be under protection from a religious point of view so therefore they are more or less untouchable. A couple of years ago I was at traffic lights in Derby and a school of motoring car came out of a side street and passed me, the "learner" was wearing a niqab and I watched as she negotiated that tight turn, talk about tunnel vision you could see she had limited vision to see anything so had to keep turning her head, her peripheral vision would be almost nil so god help anyone in her blind spot. 

These woman I suspect would dearly love to stroll about in western clothes if given the chance but most say I dress like this for my religion but I think they are still in a society were the men make [all] the decisions and this could be seen as being oppressed.
To be honest, I completely agree with everything you've said. It's a shame integration is seen as "not available" for these women in a western civilization. I'm a firm believer that you live by the country's law that you live in. Yet we seem to be firmly in favour of the "I'm offended" crew. Free speech and opinions should'nt be castigated for no reason. Fair enough - it's Boris and he maybe should have thought better before opening his mouth - but that's his problem now!
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on August 10, 2018, 12:27:17 PM
I watched with interest in a Dubai hotel when a family came in for breakfast.
The children were dressed as our children would be whilst parents wore their countries clothing.
It was the lady I was interested in as I wondered what she would do  with her head coverings - no mouthpiece.
Simple - she just took it off.

I disagree with what Boris said, they are remarks that I wouldn't expect to hear from a person of his standing - if he's not careful he may not be standing for long!

As for security as in airports etc - I totally agree that they should come off!
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on August 10, 2018, 01:34:28 PM
This family you observed O.C. obviously a liberal minded family judging by the way the parents dressed their children and the way the lady removed her veil {in public} unfortunately as many people know not every family, from a similar background to the couple, have those choices. I believe those may have been the very ones Boris was having a "dig" at.
This is probably why we are in the mess were in politically, as no one seems to be able to speak their minds they just tow the party line and end up keeping their true feelings to themselves as they don't want to lose a cushy job, Boris on the other hand has nothing to lose by "speaking out" although I don't believe it was all that bad.
Ask yourself a question {Boris aside} if you were put on the spot and asked to describe someone wearing a niqab  be honest what's the first image to pop into your head, I would reply "They look like they're about to rob a bank" this is a perfectly short to the point descriptive phrase, especially if you are talking to someone who has never seen anyone wearing a niqab.

We are so afraid of upsetting certain people in our society that we have lost sight of the fact that Britain is a fairly tolerant country and people are "invited" to live with us and obey our laws, not bring their countries {outdated} ideologies with them and try to foist them on others.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on August 10, 2018, 08:32:53 PM
This family you observed O.C. obviously a liberal minded family judging by the way the parents dressed their children and the way the lady removed her veil {in public} unfortunately as many people know not every family, from a similar background to the couple, have those choices. I believe those may have been the very ones Boris was having a "dig" at.
This is probably why we are in the mess were in politically, as no one seems to be able to speak their minds they just tow the party line and end up keeping their true feelings to themselves as they don't want to lose a cushy job, Boris on the other hand has nothing to lose by "speaking out" although I don't believe it was all that bad.
Ask yourself a question {Boris aside} if you were put on the spot and asked to describe someone wearing a niqab  be honest what's the first image to pop into your head, I would reply "They look like they're about to rob a bank" this is a perfectly short to the point descriptive phrase, especially if you are talking to someone who has never seen anyone wearing a niqab.

We are so afraid of upsetting certain people in our society that we have lost sight of the fact that Britain is a fairly tolerant country and people are "invited" to live with us and obey our laws, not bring their countries {outdated} ideologies with them and try to foist them on others.

My answer would be they are wearing a face covering.
I'm a live and let live person and respect how other cultures choose to live but would agree we shouldn't be expected to change our cultural way of living.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on August 10, 2018, 10:22:04 PM
Watching 'The Last Leg'. Plenty of comments for and against Boris lol  (y)

Me personally, not a problem with his comment.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on August 12, 2018, 10:59:56 AM
I am not offended by his comments but then again I don't wear these face coverings.
I just think from someone who held a high position in the UK he should know better, it's a silly comment to make.

There are other words - Golliwog - it's a young child's doll!!
I had one.
My daughter had one - it was always a stuffed toy, then some person decides it's racist.
I had a twin pram as a child.
In it I pushed two dolls - one white one black - so what ?

Stupidity has gained control of the world

Anyone who thinks it's racist have a racist problem I think -

In answer to scimitar you are right in respect of living by a countries law.
I mentioned Dubai - if a person goes there from the UK and steals - they may well have a finger or hand chopped off.

We should respect each others law and cultural living.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on September 08, 2018, 12:46:18 PM
I see b*nking Boris is in the news again {front page of the Mirror today and on T.V.} again for all the wrong reasons.
As I have said I don't like him BUT the bottom line is.....

 He, like the vast majority of red blooded males in this country, likes women, and when it comes to women he keeps his brains in his underpants. He is not what you would call overly good looking and he definitely hasn't got the physique of a Greek god but I cannot but help feel a certain amount of grudging admiration towards him.
If these women want to throw themselves at him {for whatever reason} I could not find it in me to chastise him for it. It is just unfortunate that he is a person who is constantly in the public gaze, his whole life, especially as an M.P. is constantly under the microscope.
 Infidelity in marriage is nothing new it's as old as time itself, if there were no infidelity in marriage then "The oldest profession" would not exist, there would be no "gold diggers" and lawyers would starve. What's taken his wife so long to start divorce proceedings he's obviously a serial philanderer dating back many years.

As I say I won't chastise him as I can walk round my estate and look at houses that contain an unmarried female and two or three young kids {usually each having a different father} what my tax dollars are helping keep' those are the ones that get my dander up... not Boris!
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on September 09, 2018, 05:34:18 PM
He's an idiot. On a downward spiral.
He needs to engage brain before opening mouth!
As you say - like Trump in many ways.
He isn't PM material at all - what was the saying in the war ( not that I was around but a mere Twinkle in my fathers eye  ;) ) Loose tongues costs lives - or something like that ---

I agree about his infidelity, the woman knows he's married or maybe married herself - he is no worse than the women he's had.
 
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on September 10, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
I believe the phrase you are looking for is "Loose lips sink ships"

Also in Boris's case "It takes two to tango"
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on September 10, 2018, 12:05:31 PM
I believe the phrase you are looking for is "Loose lips sink ships"


She was close lol :P
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on September 10, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
I believe the phrase you are looking for is "Loose lips sink ships"

Also in Boris's case "It takes two to tango"

oopppsss sorry maybe you are older than me and can remember   :-*  :))
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on September 10, 2018, 08:31:14 PM
As it turns out I was a bit of a pub quiz buff and wrote pub quizzes as well at one time. It's amazing the amount of info swirls round your noggin when you've done a couple of dozen of those.

As for my age well that was brought home to me only today. My youngest granddaughter {6} mentioned they had had a lesson at school about how the Great fire of London started and before she told me she said it had happened "When you were little granddad"
I thought for a horrible minute she was going to accuse me of starting it.....kids eh!

Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on September 10, 2018, 10:25:30 PM
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"When you were little granddad"

The innocence of children eh  (y) C:-) :)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on September 12, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
As it turns out I was a bit of a pub quiz buff and wrote pub quizzes as well at one time. It's amazing the amount of info swirls round your noggin when you've done a couple of dozen of those.

As for my age well that was brought home to me only today. My youngest granddaughter {6} mentioned they had had a lesson at school about how the Great fire of London started and before she told me she said it had happened "When you were little granddad"
I thought for a horrible minute she was going to accuse me of starting it.....kids eh!

 :)) I didn't really think you were older than me - not many old farts around older than me these days  ::)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on September 22, 2018, 05:25:32 PM
How can someone so well educated be such a tw@
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on September 22, 2018, 05:36:03 PM
He's getting paid well for it. Who's the t***    :o  (y)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on October 01, 2018, 04:41:56 PM
He's getting paid well for it. Who's the t***    :o  (y)
getting well paid does not make people any less tw@ts, i could run off a huge list of people this would apply to from the President of the USA to the bankers who bankrupted the worlds financial system, whose huge tw@tism pales into insignificance when one considers the self promoting empty headed ravings of that ginger haired talentless and apparently alchohilic multy millionaire CHRIS EVANS who in my personal opinion is the tw@ of tw@s
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on October 21, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
Apparently the amount of public money wasted and being wasted by Boris never ceases to amaze. The money that man has/had control of and he's only an M.P. what's he going to be like if he ever gets his hands on the tiller.

It is alleged......
The now Mayor of London, for the past 2 years {at least} has been trying to sell one of the previous Mayors {insert name here} best buys.
In short, 3 vehicles bought 2nd hand from Germany 2014 cost +importing them, bodywork rust removal, re spraying them, and M.O.T.'s
This has already cost the taxpayer well in excess of £400,000 and they are just stood gathering dust.

These vehicles apparently CANNOT be used on Britain's roads they are illegal, and we can only {try} to sell them if we get the approval of the people we bought them off. The Government CANNOT publicly advertise them for sale either.
Then politicians wonder why they are so despised.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on November 20, 2018, 12:15:52 PM
Update on the above...........

Just read in today's Mirror that Sadiq Khan has finally found a buyer for the vehicles. In short they've gone to the scrap man, apparently he got 11 grand for them...........so that's o.k. then!!
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on December 09, 2018, 11:54:20 AM
Apparently the amount of public money wasted and being wasted by Boris never ceases to amaze. The money that man has/had control of and he's only an M.P. what's he going to be like if he ever gets his hands on the tiller


Just seen him this morning with Andrew Marr..... I honestly think he's going to get the keys to no.10, from what he says he appears to be the sanest in the asylum God help us.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on December 09, 2018, 08:38:40 PM
See my previous post ↑  ;)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on December 09, 2018, 10:37:54 PM
If he does get in I don't think he could make things any worse.

My synopsis of events:-
On the morning of the referendum David Cameron sat with his feet up on the desk and his hands behind his head, smug as a bug in ermine. On the desk were two document baskets, one placed at either side of the desk, one said IN one said OUT. These were to be the strategies laid out for Britain whatever the result was going to be. In the IN tray was a sign that just said "Business as usual" the OUT tray was unfortunately empty.
When the result was known one of Cameron's lackeys poked his head round the door and said "Were OUT Davey baby"
Glancing at the OUT tray he obviously felt a cold shiver down his spine, and something very warm filling the back of his trousers, but pulled himself together mustered all his strength and with his stiff upper lip went to confront the electorate and resigned.
Theresa May picked up the poison chalice.

Since that day the goings on in Parliament have been farcical. I, from the beginning when people called for another referendum, thought NO the people have spoken, but recently I've drawn the conclusion that most didn't know what voting out or in entailed purely because the government said nothing and made no allowance for leaving. Basically I believe the OUT vote was mainly made up of people with the "Little Englander" mentality, not that I think that's a bad thing in itself I just feel people voted not knowing the outcome of their actions.
After all you wouldn't purchase anything sight unseen with no guarantee and no refund.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on December 09, 2018, 11:25:11 PM
I think it's irrelevant whether Boris gets the number 10 job or not. He's still a Tory per se .  .  .
What I 'saw' from the bit of Marr interview I saw today was a man who appears to agree with lots of Tory politics and things in one hand, but has the gift of the gab to try and get the other parties on his side too.

When a bunch of p*** heads get in my taxi, what's the best way to keep them calm. Agree with them, make them laugh, and 'appear' to be on their side. It's done me good for 20+ years.
Isn't this was Boris is doing ?
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on May 30, 2019, 02:13:06 PM
So.. Boris is heading for the courts,and it doesn't look as if he will walk away from this one. The sum of money plastered all over his brexit bus in 2016 turned out to be incorrect {big surprise}.

Misconduct in public office....... this "offence"{dating back to the 1300's} can carry a life sentence.
What I want to know is we WILL obviously save money by no longer paying into the Eurozone, but does anyone in the country know the true amount?? someone somewhere must have an idea!

A politician telling fibs........whatever next?


Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on May 30, 2019, 05:56:26 PM
I bet Boris is bricking it  :-X ::) ::)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on May 31, 2019, 05:29:02 PM
I bet Boris is bricking it  :-X ::) ::)
I bet you he does not give a toss, as when anybody connected with government gets in court it usually ends in an establishment stitch up/cover up, Chesterfield Borough Councils corrupt actions are a testimony to that fact.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on June 01, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
I bet you he does not give a toss

That's what I said
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on June 01, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
That's what I said
i thought you MEANT he WAS bricking it.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on June 01, 2019, 05:21:41 PM
So.. Boris is heading for the courts,and it doesn't look as if he will walk away from this one. The sum of money plastered all over his brexit bus in 2016 turned out to be incorrect {big surprise}.

Misconduct in public office....... this "offence"{dating back to the 1300's} can carry a life sentence.
What I want to know is we WILL obviously save money by no longer paying into the Eurozone, but does anyone in the country know the true amount?? someone somewhere must have an idea!

A politician telling fibs........whatever next?
i saw an old interview on newsnight on this subject and when asked about the £350m he started his usual bluster, the inteveiwer then stated that the boris figure was a lie and the actual figure was £160m much less trhan half, and boris grudgingly had to accept it
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on June 01, 2019, 08:17:55 PM
It think you will be found to be correct Fly.

In politics it's "Not WHAT you know, it's WHO you know". These Hooray Henry's have spent their entire lives in the same {wealthy} circles, they know each others skeletons and the cupboards in which they are kept.
A couple of phone calls to certain people in high places by Boris's lawyers and his muddy waters will suddenly start to clear. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that, not only will he be totally exonerated, but he will be such a spiffing guy they will be putting his name down for a gong.

Whatever the amount turns out to be I doubt the general populace will see any benefit from it.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on June 02, 2019, 01:23:08 AM
i think that boris needs psychiatric help along with any other tory who puts their name forward to be tory leader, if we think May was given the poison chalice then i would suggest that the poison for a new leader after May leaves is a hundred times more potent, the EU and brexit is a leadership killer and i would think that anyone who wants the job at the moment should be imediatly disqualified on the grounds that ayone wanting the job is quite obviously off their head.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on June 02, 2019, 09:57:11 AM
Boris is the man for the job then.  (y) C:-)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on June 03, 2019, 01:21:50 AM
Boris is the man for the job then.  (y) C:-)
the problem is what will he f**k up in his hopefully mercifully short tenure
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on June 13, 2019, 12:03:41 PM
Allegedly....
Whoever takes over the reins at Downing Street apparently one of the first jobs is to "dump" the dead wood starting with sacking Chris Grayling the transport minister.

The only good thing about this Brexit fiasco is that it has managed to expose such blatant time wasters that were given jobs that they are TOTALLY unqualified for in government, and the £billions poured down the drain every single day through these ministers ineptitude. Everyone has always known politicians were a waste of space  but very few realise how much it costs the taxpayer.

It is alleged........
Thanks to Grayling managing the countries transport system companies are now queuing up to sue the government over preparations for Brexit, among them P&O...Stagecoach..Virgin... a rail firm based in France to name but a few. There was another company suing but that apparently has been settled and the cheque written out had a lot of zero's on it {all taxpayers money}.

Whenever Grayling or others are asked about HS2 they all say the same thing "It's on budget, on time" and I actually think they believe it, It's been way over budget for a long time, and god knows when {or even if} it will ever be finished.
If Boris does get in and he DOES sack Grayling he will have gone up in my estimation.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on June 14, 2019, 11:40:54 AM
So according to the first round in the P.M. stakes Boris is streets ahead of the others, well if he's the best choice, the others must be a right shower.

As mentioned in last nights Question time his tenure as Mayor of London cost the tax payer £millions and as a front bencher even more deniro so as I have stated before what will he do as P.M.?
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on June 16, 2019, 01:03:00 AM
He's only the "best choice" from the point of view of those whose priority is winning the next general election.  Some of the "right shower" who are trailing behind him may actually care about the country.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on June 20, 2019, 02:34:27 PM
Rory Stewart and Sajid Javid out, not a big surprise, I think that was a forgone conclusion.

The three horse race Hunt Johnson and Gove {sounds like a firm of solicitors} if Johnson does get it I certainly don't think it will be on merit, as I have said before there will be a lot of muck raking/ back biting going on behind the scenes. This is why Gove and the rest admitted their drug taking when younger, it was to get it out there first before the "opposition" used it against them.
Personally I don't think any of them are P.M. material, I would dearly love to be proved wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
Anyone who thinks this move for a new P.M. will be a pivotal turn in Britain's fortunes maybe deluding themselves, they are in it solely for power and whatever else they can get out of it.

Anyone reading this post, just re visit it again in 12 months time and tell me I got it wrong, I will be only too pleased to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on June 20, 2019, 06:25:26 PM
Breaking news LOL  :)) :D ;D :)   C:-)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48711077
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on July 15, 2019, 12:14:17 PM
About a fortnight to go.... I'm having half a crown on Jeremy Hunt {real name or cockney rhyming slang??}
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on July 24, 2019, 09:25:36 PM
Allegedly....
Whoever takes over the reins at Downing Street apparently one of the first jobs is to "dump" the dead wood starting with sacking Chris Grayling the transport minister.

Boris then! {bang goes my half crown} I can't even give him credit for the above, because Grayling apparently jumped before he was pushed.

You only had to look at his face on today's P.M.Q.'s he was a dead man walking. It seems Boris has never been a big fan of HS2 so could we see the beginning of the end for this white elephant, either way thus far millions have been poured down the drain.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on July 24, 2019, 11:33:44 PM
I didn't know Boris was a bit anti HS2. Whatever has been spent, I hope it gets the chop  (y)
Still a bit surprised he stuck it out and took the job. Must be paying him well  >;

Why are people still banging on about 'them' not having a say who became the leader of the tory party(PM)?
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on July 28, 2019, 12:00:58 PM
I think you may be right on Boris and HS2, but I could have sworn he was not very happy with it in it's inception, but as usual I will stand corrected if wrong.

On reason could be that perhaps he's looked at it and decided it's better to continue with it than scrap it therefore is putting a positive spin on it
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on August 22, 2019, 09:58:49 PM
It seems Boris has never been a big fan of HS2 so could we see the beginning of the end for this white elephant, either way thus far millions have been poured down the drain.
 

It appears Boris was making noises about not being overly enthusiastic about HS2 during the leadership campaign, even when [earlier] he was a government minister he was "talked round" about the benefits of HS2 but I never thought his heart was in it.
I think he will scrap it because if anyone knows about wasting money it's him.
Over £7 BILLION thus far wasted, homes and businesses left in turmoil, you may as well have got the R.A.F. in to bomb them, they couldn't have made a worse job of shattering lives.
Just imagine what that kind of money would have meant for the country, that amount alone would have solved/updated the rail situation in this country.... or better still have gone into the Health service.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Fly on August 28, 2019, 07:44:54 PM
Told you Boris was the man for the job.
He'll get us out of Europe. We'll all pay for it, but then again, what's the difference there.
We're all paying already whilst we have the Gov we do  :(
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on August 29, 2019, 12:21:15 PM
I'm no fan of Boris, but I think his strategy on Europe is a little bit more subtle than it seems.  I think the main purpose of his do-or-die bluster, and his no-deal preparations, is to put the frighteners on the EU while he attempts to negotiate a new deal.  If Parliament had been able to make no-deal impossible or illegal next week, that would have removed his main bargaining chip.  Of course no-deal still remains a real possibility, but I don't think he's quite so up-for-it as he sometimes appears.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on September 07, 2019, 01:15:22 PM
I'm no fan of Boris, but I think his strategy on Europe is a little bit more subtle than it seems.  I think the main purpose of his do-or-die bluster, and his no-deal preparations, is to put the frighteners on the EU while he attempts to negotiate a new deal.  If Parliament had been able to make no-deal impossible or illegal next week, that would have removed his main bargaining chip.  Of course no-deal still remains a real possibility, but I don't think he's quite so up-for-it as he sometimes appears.
I think sublety is not a description that can be applied to Borises tactics which include lying to Parliament and by extension the British People, and also by bullying his own parties MPs as well as attempting to bully the rest of Parliament and i suspect even his own brother, boy has he come unstuck, and to the people who where keen to rid themselves of Theresa May perhaps they should have been a tad more carefull of what they wished for, if i was Theresa May i would be giggling my backside off at the mess boris has clearly made.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on September 10, 2019, 01:04:25 AM
The subtlety disappeared when he announced exactly what I'd been saying.  What I got wrong was the timing of the prorogation, which I thought was earlier.  Not much point in it now, is there?  Oh no, sorry, I forgot, it was never anything to do with Brexit, was it? (snigger)
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: hifimad on September 10, 2019, 01:16:06 AM
i think your are right it would be wrong of us to ever believe that a man of such integrity honesty and nobility would ever be dishonest tp Parliament and the people, oh to hell with it who am i trying to kid, he is a liar a scoundrell and a mountebank of the first order.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on September 19, 2019, 02:29:37 PM
Boris Johnson is a thoroughly unprincipled individual who has never cared about anything above or beyond Boris Johnson.  He doesn't have any personal views on Brexit because he is above being affected by it - except politically.  If we do leave without a deal, he'll need to get the election in before we feel the effects of it.  In general elections, the British people do not vote for; they vote against.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on September 11, 2020, 10:20:47 PM
I think sublety is not a description that can be applied to Borises tactics which include lying to Parliament and by extension the British People.
The last few days have shown that it goes even further than that, and now we know exactly how he succeeded in Getting Brexit Done when Theresa May had failed.  He simply signed an unsatisfactory withdrawal agreement with no intention of upholding it.  Pants on fire as usual.  Should have been obvious.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on October 26, 2020, 01:52:51 PM
Allegedly....
Whoever takes over the reins at Downing Street apparently one of the first jobs is to "dump" the dead wood starting with sacking Chris Grayling the transport minister.

The only good thing about this Brexit fiasco is that it has managed to expose such blatant time wasters that were given jobs that they are TOTALLY unqualified for in government, and the £billions poured down the drain every single day through these ministers ineptitude. Everyone has always known politicians were a waste of space  but very few realise how much it costs the taxpayer.

It is alleged....

Rumours abound that Boris has had enough and wants to jack it in, not because he can't do the job, because he can't, but like others he can make more dosh with less hours and a lot less responsibility out in civvy street, plus with the title {ex P.M.} under his belt he can join the ranks of the other ex P.M.'s making a tidy sum.
Now that it's being proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that "failing" politicians can literally write their own cheques when either being sacked from the government or just leave, they are now rubbing our noses in it.
Failing Grayling, the "I see no ships" or trains for that matter! minister, since being jettisoned, has managed to secure an advisory post to a company that's sorting our ports out post Brexit, and apparently is on more than he received when in a government post.
Same with Theresa May it seems in the last year since being shown the door she has earned over a £million just giving talks.

So it doesn't matter how cr*p you were at your job in government, you'll never starve.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on April 02, 2021, 11:14:23 AM
So two and a half million quid on a new Downing St. press room.......much needed obviously!!

Tarting up the Downing St. flat, apparently the P.M {and previous P.M.'s} are given £30,000 per year for upkeep of their living space but it would appear that's not enough for Boris and his "missus" as {it is alleged} Tory donors have been helping out.

I'm convinced that if it wasn't for the pandemic we would never see Boris out in public, well not in his P.M. capacity anyway, remember before the pandemic just after he became P.M. the headlines in some papers "Where's Boris?" The Tories are and always have been a secretive party, everything behind closed doors and I believe that's how Boris wants to run the country and believes that's how it should be done, unfortunately Covid is forcing him out into the open  and as he clearly doesn't like to be interviewed "on the spot" his new press room is the ideal bolt hole where he has the advantage.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: wollygobble on May 01, 2021, 01:04:00 AM
So Arlene Foster has been forced to resign because she trusted Boris when he said that a border in the Irish Sea would be over his dead body.  Once again this proves that Boris was the man to get Brexit done, because the only way to get it done (without disturbing the fragile equilibrium of Northern Ireland) was by lying about it.
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on May 23, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
Saw Boris on the box yesterday,he was doing a piece to camera aboard an aircraft carrier..... and I was astounded

I wasn't aware we still HAD any aircraft left let alone a Navy carrier to put them on or a Navy at all for that matter, but it looks like we still have, unless of course it was computer generated imagery. 




Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Sorastro on June 26, 2021, 11:53:32 AM
Matt Hancock has been filmed "groping and snogging" one of his aides, all people seem to be bothered about is the social distancing part of it.  It doesn't seem to matter that his marriage is possibly over {unless is wife knows which side her breads buttered} and that of his aide who is obviously married or has a partner.
 Boris's answer is that he "considers the matter closed" well he would wouldn't he, lets face it when it comes to things like this Boris could leave the rest standing he's been caught more times with his "trousers down" than Brian Rix in farces.

Let's face it it's not been a good few months for Matt Hancock, this latest is just the icing on the cake, but you can bet he won't go!
Title: Re: Boris!!
Post by: Old Cruser on July 05, 2021, 06:03:12 PM
Bye Bye Matt