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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Gerty Gumdrop on May 22, 2012, 09:22:30 PM
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This may have been posted sometime earlier but I haven't noticed whether it has ......
So, there's a noticeable lack of paper and bottle banks in Inkersall/Staveley. They've been gone for weeks now. Is it the same in Chesterfield? And does anyone know why?
Considering the insert in the blue bin is inadequate, the paper banks in particular were a good local facility. I am actually missing them.
Just wondering :)
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Same in Chesterfield, the ones along our road went soon after the blue bins appeared. We now take cardboard to the recycling place on Sheffield Road.
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We have large burgundy bins in our area which have replaced to small blue ones, having now a blck, green and burgundy bin lined up outside I am changing our house name to 'Stig's' ;)
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:)) :))
Isn't there a recycling center behind the Healthy Living Center in Stavely. I don't know if they are bottle banks, paper, clothes or whatever, but I drive past them often.
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we've had this on another thread. The council figure that if you aren't prepared to put bottles and paper in a bin in your back yard you're not going to drive to a recycling site to do it.
I would assume for bulk recycling (say after one of Pete's wild parties :o) you can still take them to Sheffield Road.
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we've had this on another thread. The council figure that if you aren't prepared to put bottles and paper in a bin in your back yard you're not going to drive to a recycling site to do it.
Ah, but that's where you're wrong, walking past the 'old' recycling site on Chester Street yesterday and someone has bothered to drive/walk/crawl to the site and deposit a carrier bag full of (beer) bottles!! ;)
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Thought they were gone now? Walk on chester st every day it looks a bit odd to not see the recycle bins however people took the liberty in putting other kinds of rubbish there. Surfice to say im kind of glad in a way they have gone from the area. Though the paper/cardboard part of the blue bin isnt big enough you end up with bags out with yer bin...
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Do you not now have the Burgundy Bins for recycling?
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Not yet .... just Grey, green and blue at the moment. I'm hoping for pink next ;)
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Do you not now have the Burgundy Bins for recycling?
Chezzy have blue bins
Boza have burgundy bins
Chezzy can't put cardboard in the main bin, just in the insert. Ridiculous ::)
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The whole recycling thing in Derbyshire is ridiculous - surely the councils can think collectively and come up with a county-wide policy?
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Welcome to Derbyshire ::)
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>> The whole recycling thing in Derbyshire is ridiculous - surely the councils can think collectively and come up with a county-wide policy?
But that would mean the Cons talking to Labour and vice versa... ::)
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>> The whole recycling thing in Derbyshire is ridiculous - surely the councils can think collectively and come up with a county-wide policy?
But that would mean the Cons talking to Labour and vice versa... ::)
It seems to work elsewhere: http://www.somersetwaste.gov.uk/ (http://www.somersetwaste.gov.uk/)
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Went out to tender and got the best deal, massive saving on the previous contract so it's up to them where they recycle.
NEDDC have cardboard in the main part of bin but they are inferior to CBC in that they take a couple of weeks to get back to the right day after bank holidays and they don't do both recycling bins on the same day
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Bollocks. Chezzy took the cheapest deal and it's fuc*** silly.
Cardboard in the insert, not the bin. :)) Crazy !!
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Just how much cardboard do people use? Only had to put it at the side of the bin once
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Must admit I like the bin the way it is - we don't have much cardboard - but loads of beer cans :-[ :)
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Any plans for an anaerobic digester so that kitchen waste can be collected and made use of rather than going into landfill?
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>> anaerobic digester
I had mine removed when I was a child...
Sorry :-[
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Just how much cardboard do people use? Only had to put it at the side of the bin once
Depends on your eating habits. Cereal boxes, cardboard packaging round yoghurts, biscuit boxes etc we can soon fill the very small insert we have. Never filled the green bin with cardboard though Yp
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Any plans for an anaerobic digester so that kitchen waste can be collected and made use of rather than going into landfill?
There was one proposed for Grassmoor about 5 years ago, I even saw the layout as my workbase was also due to be transferred there; it got kicked out by planners. Arkwright is now proposed. Problem is people want this facility but not on their doorsteps.
I woul like NEDDC to have it, they seem t be developing large housing estates that impact on Chesterfield's infrastructure so they owe us one.
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Have to say I'm happy with how things are now, too; the cardboard insert is fine, although the corners have become knocked off ours, so it doesn't sit at the top of the bin, but drops into it. Plenty of room for plastic milk jugs - I shudder to think how many of those went to landfill before.
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Depends on your eating habits. Cereal boxes, cardboard packaging round yoghurts, biscuit boxes etc we can soon fill the very small insert we have. Never filled the green bin with cardboard though Yp
Agreed, ours is always over flowing. We only manage because we put cardboard in the main body of the bin along with the tins, etc. Defeats the purpose a bit, but I'm not prepared to leave it at the side of the bin, on the past occasions when this has happened, its ended up blown all over the front garden. (Meanwhile, geen bin sits there almost empty.)
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There was one proposed for Grassmoor about 5 years ago, I even saw the layout as my workbase was also due to be transferred there; it got kicked out by planners. Arkwright is now proposed. Problem is people want this facility but not on their doorsteps.
There must be brownfield sites in the area that are too heavily polluted for housing where one could be situated. People have short memories, what was coming from those sites on a daily basis a few decades ago was far worse.
I woul like NEDDC to have it, they seem t be developing large housing estates that impact on Chesterfield's infrastructure so they owe us one.
You seem to have a downer on NEDDC, why's that?
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There was one proposed for Grassmoor about 5 years ago, I even saw the layout as my workbase was also due to be transferred there; it got kicked out by planners. Arkwright is now proposed. Problem is people want this facility but not on their doorsteps.
I woul like NEDDC to have it, they seem t be developing large housing estates that impact on Chesterfield's infrastructure so they owe us one.
What's your definition of Chesterfield's Infrastructure?
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Slacker raises a good point though, in that we all want want want, but no one wants it to be at their expense.
An AD would be a great investment and its a shame the councils can't work out a way to build one as a joint initative, good location: the old coal lite plant at Bolsover. ??? (Opposite Bolsovers recylcle place)
(Alternatively, the council offices. :)) )
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Slacker raises a good point though, in that we all want want want, but no one wants it to be at their expense.
An AD would be a great investment and its a shame the councils can't work out a way to build one as a joint initative, good location: the old coal lite plant at Bolsover. ??? (Opposite Bolsovers recylcle place)
(Alternatively, the council offices. :)) )
Isnt there an issue there with polluted ground? Good place to put it though, theres very few houses close by.
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No joined up thinking in Derbyshire, silo mentality and NIMBY-ism rife it seems :(
I would have thought The Avenue an ideal site for an AD, it couldn't get much more polluted.
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>> anaerobic digester
I had mine removed when I was a child...
Sorry :-[
I wish my hubby would have his removed as well --- I know just where he is around the house --- I can HEAR him!!! ;)
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Isnt there an issue there with polluted ground? Good place to put it though, theres very few houses close by.
Thats my thinking, it would take less cleaning than if used for domestic purposes. What gets me is that countless millions of taxpayers money, from all level of Govt. gets spent on developing new sites, eg Markam Vale, can't they just direct some of that into cleaning up these brown field sites instead of leaving them to rot. Now that is wasteful!!
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Large development (1500 homes) proposed at Wingerworth, the logical thing would be to put a relief link road to Grassmoor then through the little used Furnace Hillock Way then to the A617 via Winsick. Instead a lot of traffic will end up snarling up Horns Bridge. NEDDC gets lots of income for providing new homes, CBC has no say in this.
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Slacker: Are you taking the politicians way out and not answering the question?
What's your definition of Chesterfield's Infrastructure?
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I was referring to the impact on the road systems around Chesterfield, if infrastructure is not the most appropriate word then substitute a different one
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If the increase in traffic congestion is in Cgesterfield it will be CBC that gets criticised by a lot of the public whether it be DCC (as with the traffic lights in Hasland) or NEDDC (as with the proposed Winsick development)
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If the increase in traffic congestion is in Cgesterfield it will be CBC that gets criticised by a lot of the public whether it be DCC (as with the traffic lights in Hasland) or NEDDC (as with the proposed Winsick development)
Would that be the same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of snow clearing?
The same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of Highways?
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Would that be the same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of snow clearing?
The same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of Highways?
And the same CBC that has 6800 homes proposed in the next few years - surely they'll impact on the town's infrastructure?
BTW, the snow clearing was bad, O/H slipped and badly bruised her knee and the state of the roads is shocking - doesn't CBC fight for Chesterfield in such matters?
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Would that be the same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of snow clearing?
The same CBC that got criticised by certain election candidates about the county council function of Highways?
I'm pleased to say there is a lot better co-operation and coordination between Derbyshire County Council and Chesterfield on that matter. The year before it was very random. Admittedly it has not been tested on a severe winter but it worked well on the few days' snow we had. Grass cutting on highway verges is also technically a DCC function but it makes sense for districts to do this at the same time as their own land.
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I'm pleased to say there is a lot better co-operation and coordination between Derbyshire County Council and Chesterfield on that matter. The year before it was very random. Admittedly it has not been tested on a severe winter but it worked well on the few days' snow we had. Grass cutting on highway verges is also technically a DCC function but it makes sense for districts to do this at the same time as their own land.
You have to got be kidding! Try getting to the college after a snowfall, none of the access routes are listed by DCC for snow clearance. The pavements along Sheffield Road took days to be cleared and were lethal - it was an absolute shambles, no different at all from the previous year.
And I note you ignored my post about the impact of CBC's 6800 houses on the town infrastructure - typical politician.
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Years ago when my grandfather he was a council worker and responsible for clearing the snow in our village where he lived he had a hand held snow plough, I can't remember what happened with the roads though.
Why can't the council employ someone from each place to do the roads and verges?? Or is it complicated?
ps I came on here thinking it was a topic on bottle banks :o :)) ;)
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We should rename our boards the Off-Topic Forums :))
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Years ago when my grandfather he was a council worker and responsible for clearing the snow in our village where he lived he had a hand held snow plough, I can't remember what happened with the roads though.
Why can't the council employ someone from each place to do the roads and verges?? Or is it complicated?
ps I came on here thinking it was a topic on bottle banks :o :)) ;)
And who was responsible for removing them - CBC, that's who!
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We should rename our boards the Off-Topic Forums :))
I blame the Moderator :)
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@ Dave I've no idea who took em off it - but I think it's a good idea myself.Yes where's the mods??
Letting us go off topic -- no 'helping us' go off topic! ;)
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@ Dave I've no idea who took em off it - but I think it's a good idea myself.Yes where's the mods??
Letting us go off topic -- no 'helping us' go off topic! ;)
'Go off topic'... for a moment I thought you wrote 'gin and tonic' - if so, mine's a large one please.... :)) :)) :))
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Grass cutting on highway verges is also technically a DCC function but it makes sense for districts to do this at the same time as their own land.
Please tell me you're not trying to claim that as a recent innovation?
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@ Dave --- on a hot sunny day --- mines a carlesberg special brew! ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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I'll have half :D
Back on topic, one of the taxi drivers in town had a couple of cardboard boxes of glass bottles in his boot the other day.
Apparently he'd been on the look out for a bottle bank. I asked why he didn't put them in his blue bin.
He said he didn't use it :-X
I said you will be from now on ;)
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Bet there's going to be some very full blue bins after this hot weather!
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Ours is always full ::)
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Ours is always full ::)
Ours is getting that way this evening - hic! ^-^
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Gerty Gumdrop said "Considering the insert in the blue bin is inadequate, the paper banks in particular were a good local facility. I am actually missing them."
The answer is, read on line and get a Kindle (PS got about 85,000 books that are able to be read on Kindle, but if the Copyright people see this I didn't say it ;))
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Isn't there a recycling center behind the Healthy Living Center in Stavely. I don't know if they are bottle banks, paper, clothes or whatever, but I drive past them often.
They've all gone too >:(
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I read a claim recently that the issue with the new blue bins is that they were originally conceived to be the other way round ie paper in the main bin and bottles/cans in the black tub. When the contract was finalised however someone switched them!
Slacker can you shed any light?
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>> anaerobic digester
I had mine removed when I was a child...
Sorry :-[
Is that why you burp so much? Yp
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I wish my hubby would have his removed as well --- I know just where he is around the house --- I can HEAR him!!! ;)
:)) :)) :))
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Gerty Gumdrop said "Considering the insert in the blue bin is inadequate, the paper banks in particular were a good local facility. I am actually missing them."
The answer is, read on line and get a Kindle (PS got about 85,000 books that are able to be read on Kindle, but if the Copyright people see this I didn't say it ;))
I never throw my books out. If they are (at times) a certain degree of smut and filth then I have a long waiting list of other ladies just waiting to recycle them ;) Yp
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I read a claim recently that the issue with the new blue bins is that they were originally conceived to be the other way round ie paper in the main bin and bottles/cans in the black tub. When the contract was finalised however someone switched them!
Slacker can you shed any light?
Glass has been considered for top box, key thing is keeping it apart from paper and cardboard. Main disadvantage is it's more dangerous than cardboard if bin falls over.
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I never throw my books out. If they are (at times) a certain degree of smut and filth then I have a long waiting list of other ladies just waiting to recycle them ;) Yp
I'll pm you my address ;) ;D ;D
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Glass has been considered for top box, key thing is keeping it apart from paper and cardboard. Main disadvantage is it's more dangerous than cardboard if bin falls over.
Sorry am I understanding you correctly?
The council had a tender for the supply and emptying of a large recycling bin.
The tender was for a large bin for cardboard with a smaller insert for bottles cans etc
At some point during the process the decision was taken by somebody that it was safer for the glass etc to be in the main part of the bin and the cardboard in the insert.
This was how the contract was let.
Am I right?
And if I am who was the 'somebody'?
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No, the tender was as it is now. Glass in the top has been suggested as a possible modification.
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Go on, Ive got to ask ?
Why can't cardboard and glass, tin cans, plastic etc, be mixed in the same large bin area?
Did CBC take a cheaper tender. Therefore making more work for the householder.
Why should the householder in Chezzy bother.
I'd just dump everything in the grey bin !
The alternate 2 week system of grey, burgundy bins seems to be fine in our house.
Most of our cr&p goes in the recycle/burgundy bin.
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Most things can be separated mechanically but not glass if it breaks) from cardboard & paper
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No, the tender was as it is now. Glass in the top has been suggested as a possible modification.
so what's this about then?
The problem with the Blue bins is easy to understand The main body should be for paper and cardboard and the insert for tins and bottles.The problem i,m told, is that somebody changed the rules after the contract for collection and use of the bins being agreed. Why its not possible to amend the collection process to accomodate this is down to the fact the collection vehicles costing tens of thousands to the contractor were ordered and set up to use them as they are now.
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What about plastics, they take up the most room?
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What about a comment on my quote?
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What about a comment on my quote?
Don't understand what you're getting at. They are currently working as was tendered. One suggestion for an alternative is to have glass in the top but it couldn't happen instantly because the recycling facility isn't geared up to it.
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So you're saying that the tender was always for the bins to work as is now, was never altered but an alternative is now being looked at?
Is that correct?
Is my source wrong?
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TBH I'm just glad I live in Boza. Were sorted !!
Glass and cardboard in the bin, not insert.
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Most things can be separated mechanically but not glass if it breaks) from cardboard & paper
So how come today, whilst on my travels, I saw the guys emptying the burgundy bins, and one of them promptly emptied the black box (which sits in the top of the bin), directly in to the burgundy bin, and then the whole lot was tipped into the wagon.Meaning glass cardboard and paper all together!
Why take the trouble to separate it in the first bloody place??? >:(
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So you're saying that the tender was always for the bins to work as is now, was never altered but an alternative is now being looked at?
Is that correct?
Is my source wrong?
Not aware of it
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So how come today, whilst on my travels, I saw the guys emptying the burgundy bins, and one of them promptly emptied the black box (which sits in the top of the bin), directly in to the burgundy bin, and then the whole lot was tipped into the wagon.Meaning glass cardboard and paper all together!
Why take the trouble to separate it in the first bloody place??? >:(
Because someone who's read this thread thought glass goes into the insert of a BURGUNDY bin.
So the operator threw it in the main bin section. Where it's supposed to be in a BURGUNDY bin.
;D :D :)) Simples :)) :D ;D :) Or a possible explanation :-\
I'll re-phrase that. Did they empty paper from the insert into the main lorry compartment ?
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Because someone who's read this thread thought glass goes into the insert of a BURGUNDY bin.
So the operator threw it in the main bin section. Where it's supposed to be in a BURGUNDY bin.
;D :D :)) Simples :)) :D ;D :) Or a possible explanation :-\
I'll re-phrase that. Did they empty paper from the insert into the main lorry compartment ?
They emptied the black insert which sits in the top of the burgundy bin (white envelopes, glossy paper etc), DIRECTLY into the burgundy bin (Glass, cardboard,plastic bottles).
Then entered the combined contents in to the wagon - hence my comment "why bloody separate it in the first place" if the refuse collectors simply tip it all together and it went in to one of those trucks that just crush everything up anyway.
Was stuck behind it in the bus - could not get past for a couple of minutes - saw what they were doing - and thought to myself "why do I bother?"
It was in Newton - not sure if thats NEDDC like me and therefore have a different re-cycling policy?!?!?
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promptly emptied the black box (which sits in the top of the bin), directly in to the burgundy bin
Sorry. Totally missed that :-[
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Not aware of it
What??????
Exactly what do you know?
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That this contract was far cheaper than the previous system (and other bids) and it is much better than having to store all the plastics (which seem to be getting ignored in the debates) then cart them off to bring recycling points.
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Theres a difference between cheap and good value.
Over the years there have been many reports about recycling firms just exporting all their collection abroad to some third world dump to be sorted, cheapest option but not really what we ought to be doing. In terms of waste collection, what is needed is a system that is easy to use and understand, and works. Clearly many would say that the current system is not working with the insert being too small for card, so card is either being put in the main bin, or left at the side and getting blown everywhere. There for maybe a slightly more expensive, (though I don't know why it needs to cost more), option should be sought.
Incidentally Slacker, I don't think you got back to us with the cost of the recent rebranding.
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That this contract was far cheaper than the previous system (and other bids) and it is much better than having to store all the plastics (which seem to be getting ignored in the debates) then cart them off to bring recycling points.
Ah the politician avoiding the question.
Yes or No.
Did someone alter the contract sometime between approval and commencement to swap insert and main bin roles over.
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Nahhh then ---- if maggie hadn't goten rid o the pits everthin cud av gone on the fire back -- like it did wen I was a kid cept the bottles which i got a penny for tat local shop, an dads and uncles cud still be warmin their ar---- bottoms ::) on the fire guards :P :))
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Ah the politician avoiding the question.
Yes or No.
Did someone alter the contract sometime between approval and commencement to swap insert and main bin roles over.
The layout of the bins was the choice of the contractors that submitted bids as was the recycling plant they use. Different plants separate materials in different ways so the design of bins has to tie into this.
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that still doesn't answer the question.
Was a change made at the last minute to swap the two around?
Yes or no?
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Not sure what you mean, this is the layout submitted by the winning (and most other) tenderer and has not changed since it was submitted.
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So when someone tells me that there was a change made at the last minute swapping the uses of the insert and the main bin around they are incorrect.
Is that what you are saying?
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Yes
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That's interesting then.
Here's the quote I originally posted
The problem with the Blue bins is easy to understand The main body should be for paper and cardboard and the insert for tins and bottles.The problem i,m told, is that somebody changed the rules after the contract for collection and use of the bins being agreed. Why its not possible to amend the collection process to accomodate this is down to the fact the collection vehicles costing tens of thousands to the contractor were ordered and set up to use them as they are now. It is now possible to leave side waste and i personally have kept the old blue box to put extra in.
and here's the source
http://www.chesterfieldforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4564&start=20 (http://www.chesterfieldforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4564&start=20)
So which one of you doesn't know what's going on at the council before they post on open forums?
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Don't know where he got that from, I'll ask him
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And has anybody noticed that when pi55ed and you drop a bottle into the blue bin it tends to smash the other 25 bottles that are in there.
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Answer --- don't get p155ed and drop them in the bin ??? ;)
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Don't have that problem.
1. We haven't got a blue bin. Ours is green.
2. Our drink comes in plastic bottles ;)
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You colourblind? They look burgundy to me
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Good point Andy :-[ LOL
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We have burgundy, black and green bloody eye sore they are - looks like Stig of the Dumps house >:(
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Not as bad as Alfreton with all its bags & boxes
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Spital looked nice this windy afternoon ::)
(http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/Barry_Fly/20130204_058_zpsa0ed44d1.jpg)
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Nah, it always looks like that :)) ;)
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We found someone's pay slip from 2004 in our front garden this morning and they were not from our village - the mind boggels
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(Insert joke here about wages in 2004 going a long way)