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Boris!!
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:12:29 AM »
As most people on the other forum knew, I very rarely get into discussions about politics, as everyone knows, your views, liberal or otherwise, will no doubt offend someone so you can't win, in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don't but in the case of Boris v's the burka that's in the news I can actually see where he's coming from. He, I believe, is just saying what most people are thinking and is being pilloried for it. Don't get me wrong I'm far from being a fan of Boris's {or any politician for that matter} but I believe he has a point.

First of all the "letter box" and "bank robber" remarks are not aimed at the burka {as reported in the media} I believe he is referring to, or SHOULD be referring to, women wearing the niqab. Although both closely resemble one another the burka covers the eyes with a mesh type cloth that the ladies look, or more likely squint, through, the niqab leaves the eyes uncovered. If I were to walk into a bank or say air terminal wearing a crash helmet and I refused to take it off how far do you think I'd get, yet this is no different, apart from the fact they seem to be under protection from a religious point of view so therefore they are more or less untouchable. A couple of years ago I was at traffic lights in Derby and a school of motoring car came out of a side street and passed me, the "learner" was wearing a niqab and I watched as she negotiated that tight turn, talk about tunnel vision you could see she had limited vision to see anything so had to keep turning her head, her peripheral vision would be almost nil so god help anyone in her blind spot. 

These woman I suspect would dearly love to stroll about in western clothes if given the chance but most say I dress like this for my religion but I think they are still in a society were the men make [all] the decisions and this could be seen as being oppressed.
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2018, 03:59:09 PM »
As most people on the other forum knew, I very rarely get into discussions about politics, as everyone knows, your views, liberal or otherwise, will no doubt offend someone so you can't win, in other words your damned if you do and damned if you don't but in the case of Boris v's the burka that's in the news I can actually see where he's coming from. He, I believe, is just saying what most people are thinking and is being pilloried for it. Don't get me wrong I'm far from being a fan of Boris's {or any politician for that matter} but I believe he has a point.

First of all the "letter box" and "bank robber" remarks are not aimed at the burka {as reported in the media} I believe he is referring to, or SHOULD be referring to, women wearing the niqab. Although both closely resemble one another the burka covers the eyes with a mesh type cloth that the ladies look, or more likely squint, through, the niqab leaves the eyes uncovered. If I were to walk into a bank or say air terminal wearing a crash helmet and I refused to take it off how far do you think I'd get, yet this is no different, apart from the fact they seem to be under protection from a religious point of view so therefore they are more or less untouchable. A couple of years ago I was at traffic lights in Derby and a school of motoring car came out of a side street and passed me, the "learner" was wearing a niqab and I watched as she negotiated that tight turn, talk about tunnel vision you could see she had limited vision to see anything so had to keep turning her head, her peripheral vision would be almost nil so god help anyone in her blind spot. 

These woman I suspect would dearly love to stroll about in western clothes if given the chance but most say I dress like this for my religion but I think they are still in a society were the men make [all] the decisions and this could be seen as being oppressed.
To be honest, I completely agree with everything you've said. It's a shame integration is seen as "not available" for these women in a western civilization. I'm a firm believer that you live by the country's law that you live in. Yet we seem to be firmly in favour of the "I'm offended" crew. Free speech and opinions should'nt be castigated for no reason. Fair enough - it's Boris and he maybe should have thought better before opening his mouth - but that's his problem now!
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2018, 12:27:17 PM »
I watched with interest in a Dubai hotel when a family came in for breakfast.
The children were dressed as our children would be whilst parents wore their countries clothing.
It was the lady I was interested in as I wondered what she would do  with her head coverings - no mouthpiece.
Simple - she just took it off.

I disagree with what Boris said, they are remarks that I wouldn't expect to hear from a person of his standing - if he's not careful he may not be standing for long!

As for security as in airports etc - I totally agree that they should come off!
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2018, 01:34:28 PM »
This family you observed O.C. obviously a liberal minded family judging by the way the parents dressed their children and the way the lady removed her veil {in public} unfortunately as many people know not every family, from a similar background to the couple, have those choices. I believe those may have been the very ones Boris was having a "dig" at.
This is probably why we are in the mess were in politically, as no one seems to be able to speak their minds they just tow the party line and end up keeping their true feelings to themselves as they don't want to lose a cushy job, Boris on the other hand has nothing to lose by "speaking out" although I don't believe it was all that bad.
Ask yourself a question {Boris aside} if you were put on the spot and asked to describe someone wearing a niqab  be honest what's the first image to pop into your head, I would reply "They look like they're about to rob a bank" this is a perfectly short to the point descriptive phrase, especially if you are talking to someone who has never seen anyone wearing a niqab.

We are so afraid of upsetting certain people in our society that we have lost sight of the fact that Britain is a fairly tolerant country and people are "invited" to live with us and obey our laws, not bring their countries {outdated} ideologies with them and try to foist them on others.
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2018, 08:32:53 PM »
This family you observed O.C. obviously a liberal minded family judging by the way the parents dressed their children and the way the lady removed her veil {in public} unfortunately as many people know not every family, from a similar background to the couple, have those choices. I believe those may have been the very ones Boris was having a "dig" at.
This is probably why we are in the mess were in politically, as no one seems to be able to speak their minds they just tow the party line and end up keeping their true feelings to themselves as they don't want to lose a cushy job, Boris on the other hand has nothing to lose by "speaking out" although I don't believe it was all that bad.
Ask yourself a question {Boris aside} if you were put on the spot and asked to describe someone wearing a niqab  be honest what's the first image to pop into your head, I would reply "They look like they're about to rob a bank" this is a perfectly short to the point descriptive phrase, especially if you are talking to someone who has never seen anyone wearing a niqab.

We are so afraid of upsetting certain people in our society that we have lost sight of the fact that Britain is a fairly tolerant country and people are "invited" to live with us and obey our laws, not bring their countries {outdated} ideologies with them and try to foist them on others.

My answer would be they are wearing a face covering.
I'm a live and let live person and respect how other cultures choose to live but would agree we shouldn't be expected to change our cultural way of living.
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2018, 10:22:04 PM »
Watching 'The Last Leg'. Plenty of comments for and against Boris lol  (y)

Me personally, not a problem with his comment.
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Re: Boris!!
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 10:59:56 AM »
I am not offended by his comments but then again I don't wear these face coverings.
I just think from someone who held a high position in the UK he should know better, it's a silly comment to make.

There are other words - Golliwog - it's a young child's doll!!
I had one.
My daughter had one - it was always a stuffed toy, then some person decides it's racist.
I had a twin pram as a child.
In it I pushed two dolls - one white one black - so what ?

Stupidity has gained control of the world

Anyone who thinks it's racist have a racist problem I think -

In answer to scimitar you are right in respect of living by a countries law.
I mentioned Dubai - if a person goes there from the UK and steals - they may well have a finger or hand chopped off.

We should respect each others law and cultural living.
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