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The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« on: May 19, 2012, 08:07:22 PM »
Been reading about the G8 conference, curious to know what Hollande intends to do and why he seems to be at loggerheads with Germany. As best I can tell, Hollande favours the stimulus package  (as does Obama) whereas Germany is totally behind the austerity model.

Now as far as I can tell Obama's plan is working well for the US and austerity plan seems to drag everyone down with the knock-on effect that Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc have.

If I've got this right, why does the Holland/Obama model get so much stick from the rest of the involved nations? Surely, it's the kind of plan that is positive and works hard towards its goals - and the austerity plan just means putting up with poverty for a long time, not really a positive model that inspires confidence?

Or am I not getting this?
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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2012, 08:20:20 PM »
From what I read, Cameron is in favour of stimulus abroad but austerity at home - I don't understand that either  :(

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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2012, 09:18:28 PM »
Pete, we keep keep going round in circles with this subject.

1) It isn't either /or. It is possible to cutback on waste and efficiency, and still grow your economy.

2) Austerity isn't causing the problems in Greece and so on, its the problems in Greece and so on thats causing austerity. The fact that the counties are almost bankrupt, how would you suggest they pay their bills without some sort of austerity.

3) If you think "Merkels austerity" is failing, how come Germany has one of the best performing economies in Europe, one of the few that is not in recession, and one of the few, who's not been down-graded. On the news the other night, I saw a report from Germany, since the reunification of east and west, they have been going through severe austerity, with public sector workers not getting a pay rise for over 10 years. Because they took the long term view, and have been prepared to work hard, they should now be benefiting, but instead, are having to bail out the Greeks. In Germany they retire at nearly 70, in Greece, the average is closer to 50.

4) If you think Obama is doing well, you need to take a closer look. Never before has an American president had such a fall from grace, and their economy is limping along. Its widely thought he will lose the next election. Not so long ago, he almost failed to get his budget approved as US debt, mostly owed to the Chinese, hit a trillion dollars.

5) If you think we have austerity in this country, you have fallen for Camerons big lie. Public spending is increasing in lots of areas, and our nations annual bills have fallen by a massive 1% since the coalition cam e to power. Only 1%, hardly savage cuts. Its just that they make front line staff redundant so they can carry on with their own shit like council re-branding schemes.

6) Merkel is wrong in that she is trying to force German principles on other nations such as Greece, when it would be much better in the long run, to let them sort their own mess out. She does this because she ignores economics in favour of a wider political goal of European Union.

7) People are rejecting mainstream politicians, but not because they favour the socialist views of Hollande, in France, it was almost the Far Right that won, and that is also the case in Greece. People aren't against the capitalist system as such, they are rejecting the way mainstream politicians have screwed it up, and failed to fix it for the past four years, so are looking for alternatives.

 

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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2012, 11:26:15 PM »


4) If you think Obama is doing well, you need to take a closer look. Never before has an American president had such a fall from grace, and their economy is limping along. Its widely thought he will lose the next election. Not so long ago, he almost failed to get his budget approved as US debt, mostly owed to the Chinese, hit a trillion dollars.

Take an even closer look. Obama struggles to get his budget approved because he has to get it past a republican dominated congress. To put this in context for those who don't understand the US system its like David Cameron as leader of the nation having to get a budget approved by parliament which is dominated by Labour.
As to him losing the election most recent polls have him anywhere between 2 and 7 points ahead of Mitt Romney though admittedly he (Romney) is still busy trying to secure the republican nomibation rather than actually fighting Obama.

As to Merkel she is currently being billed as the Iron Lady and one who is 'not for turning'. Sound familiar? I've said from day 1 that Germany's aim in the EC is to achieve economically what they couldn't achieve militarially.
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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2012, 09:27:01 AM »
Nice one Chris - I'd never heard about this before.
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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2012, 12:48:01 PM »
Obama never really mentions the trillion dollar debt anymore either  :-\

Talk about a timebomb...

Have a read about the economic timebomb in China that they sweep under the carpet too.. Building ghost cities and shopping malls for invisible people... Its quote frightening.

Again there's nothing new in this world. During Napoleonic times France had full employment. They had gangs of workers filling holes who were followed round by more gangs filling them in again.
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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2012, 04:15:28 PM »
Well, here's the final message sent out:

G8 leaders end summit with pledge to keep Greece in eurozone

http://bit.ly/JXkfFR
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2012, 04:43:49 PM »
Well, here's the final message sent out:

G8 leaders end summit with pledge to keep Greece in eurozone

However, the people of Greece, not to mention the rest of Europe, may decide otherwise.

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Re: The G8 Conference and the current economic crisis
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 08:51:04 PM »
"Expressing concern about weak growth and high levels of youth unemployment, the IMF said the UK needed swift action from the Bank's governor, Sir Mervyn King, but that the chancellor should be ready with a plan B for the economy. Such a plan could include temporary cuts to VAT and national insurance, the IMF said."

At least there is something positive there>

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