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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Scimitar on September 30, 2012, 11:11:44 PM
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Apparently (again) the rumour is that the former CMC site opposite the Somerset Pub is to be a new Tesco Express.
Fine - I can live with that.
However, there is a new proposed development on Dark Lane (where I live) from Seven Star Natural Gas Limited to drill exploratory bore holes, erect containerised units,associated plant and equipment,extract natural gas,generate electricity and ancilliary operations on land off Dark Lane, Calow.And it will be a 24/7 operation for up to 15 years.
Application Code :http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/search_current/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0812/53&AppType=2&searchBy=CM4/0812/53&intDataCount=1
We could do without this - its a single track road - no passing places to the proposed site so hardly any room for HGV's etc., and the ancilliary vehicles required to build this facility.
Oh yes we will protest - but there are not many houses down Dark Lane.
Lets hope we succeed :(
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Go for it - we'll help if we can. :)
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Sorry , try this.
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/application_details/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0812/53&AppType=2 (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/application_details/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0812/53&AppType=2)
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Apparently in their planning notes they say that there is also another of these plants possibly to be constructed within the grounds of the Royal Hospital, and they are awaiting the trustees response.
The trustees have apparently already responded with a resounding NO, so, which begs the question, in their proposals, why has this not been amended or at least added later (the fact that the Trust has already said no is conveniently left out).
Also, it seems that only the houses at the top end of Dark Lane (Netherleigh Cottages), have had the statutory "NOTICE OF PLANNING APPLICATION" posted on lamp posts, and through letter boxes. This covers less than 20 properties.
However, petitions have been distributed to local shops, and posters placed in local bus stops (not by me), to bring this to the attention of more locals.
There is another residents meeting to be held on 10th October, which I hope to be able to attend.
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This is where I start to lose the plot.
If I had the chance to have a wind turbine built at the bottom of my garden, I'd say yes.
If it's beneficial to me.
A Methane farm next door, I'd say no. Sounds a bit dubious.
Does that make me a hypocrite ?
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PS. Hopefully some of my long ramblings will be of use for the residents of Calow in forcing these companies and the farmers to take a different view on the matter. As I say, if its just that good a deal for the farmer who owns the land, why not build it right behind his/her house?
I am extremely grateful for your comments, and will hopefully use some of them on our next community meeting. Many thanks, and keep 'em coming , I'm quite happy to read any more comments you have. The ones you have made are pertinent, and I agree with all of them.
thanks for your continued support - we also have representations on Chesterfield Forum and facebook too, started by myself and others.
Facebook- "Calow-Seven Star Gas Limited" & "Protect the environment in Calow & surrounding areas"
Chesterfield Forum "Dark Lane Calow Gas extraction"
Cheers Matey ;)
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Please also refer to http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/ (http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/)
Thanks ;)
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Bit slow on this, but is this what they call fracking? I've read about the dangers and accidents in the US re fracking and I wouldn't want it near me.
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Just re-read the thread, please ignore my last question. :-[
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I googled fracking the other day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing)
I'd certainly say NIMBY.
Wouldn't want it in anyone else's either :!
I'll back Calow residents any way I can.
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I can't find any reference in the planning application to hydraulic fracturing (Fracking) but I would not rule it out.
My concern at this moment in time is that the boreholes are to be drilled laterally (as opposed to straight down); more importantly our proximity to Arkwright town.
Look at the past issues with Radon Gas, and Arkwright having to be re-built over the road. Derbyshire has the highest concentration of Radon Gas in the Country.
If this proposal goes ahead, what, if any, guarantees do we have as residents if newly disturbed Radon gasses begin seeping in to our houses because of the subterranian disturbances caused by this drilling.
whats to stop Seven Star Gas Limited packing up and disappearing a couple of months before ingress of gasses gets in our homes and everyone absolves themselves of any responsability?
Will we be re-housed - and who will pay for it? :(
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They said(someone), the move of Arkwright village from one side of the road to the other was about the methane gas from the now closed pit.
Complete bollocks IMHO, they wanted, the, close to the surface, coal from under the village.
They'd already taken this from the other side of the road, as prep for the new village.
I might be wrong ;)
How the hell can they frack substances from under a mining community.
There's more tunnels running underground to god knows where than Cameron's vision for the future,
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Must have made a hell of a profit from the coal extracted as opposed to the cost of building an entire new village.
Can't see that being the same here- its just the farmer and Seven Star Gas Limited who stand to profit in the short term, and we put up with the inconvenience and possible gas seepage in the meantime, and all the rest of it...........
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Does anyone know if Toby Perkins is aware of this?
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Not sure if he is but it actually falls in Natascha Engel's constituency.
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Ahh, right - thanks Jon.
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Who are Seven Star ?
http://alkane.co.uk/ (http://alkane.co.uk/)
More company info.
https://www.duedil.com/company/05330862/seven-star-natural-gas-limited (https://www.duedil.com/company/05330862/seven-star-natural-gas-limited)
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Who are Seven Star ?
Is it Five Star with two more group members?? >;
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On the DT website
http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/villagers-to-discuss-gas-concerns-1-5007254 (http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/villagers-to-discuss-gas-concerns-1-5007254)
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Need I say more?
http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/whatsitallabout (http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/whatsitallabout)
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And here .http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9207396/Fracking-caused-Blackpool-earthquakes-QandA.html# (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9207396/Fracking-caused-Blackpool-earthquakes-QandA.html#)
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More here !!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/sep/28/shale-gas-fracking-uk-carbon-energy?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/damian-carrington-blog/2012/sep/28/shale-gas-fracking-uk-carbon-energy?newsfeed=true)
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Any feedback on the meeting Scimitar?
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Any feedback on the meeting Scimitar?
As I told you, I could not go. However, over 100 people attended, and there is apparently quite a cross section of people who know what they are talking about. So the matter is going to drag on for quite a while yet.There are petitions in local shops-signed by many people who hadn't even been made aware of this proposed development.
One of the latest concerns I've read today is about the aftermath of gas extraction. We live close to an electricity station, therefore many pylons on the horizon. What happens to the empty pockets of gas underneath these pylons - the gas is probably an integral part of its subterranian support - when the gas between the rocks have gone there will be an increased risk of subsidence, and nobody, as far as I know can predict where this will happen.
There is also concerns about by-product toxins and carcinogens.
I get people saying I'm a NIMBY. And I understand the need to support the lack of available fuels to support our national grid. I just don't think our location is right-convenient for the farmer because he'll have his field back after 15 yrs. And no doubt he's going to be paid handsomeley in the meantime.
I still feel that we, as residents, in a quiet rural area, could end up with all sorts environmental problems (clean air issues), and potential long term subsidence, etc..
From talking to a neighbour who went to the meeting, we are quite hopeful of an objection to this proposal that will succeed.
I certainly hope so - as there are apparently no underwritings to safeguard our houses during or after this operation.
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http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/ (http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/)
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Lhttp://calowdevelopment.net78.net/latest updates, letters,etc.
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Ignore my previous post. Too many beers. Try this instead.
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Many more updates/concerns here
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/planningdocuments/CM4-0812-53/LRES%20CM4-0812-53.pdf (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/planningdocuments/CM4-0812-53/LRES%20CM4-0812-53.pdf)
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Saw Calendar tonight. Basically no one in this country will benefit with cheaper gas bills.
They might if the fracking companies went to Poland, and we imported the gas.
You couldn't make this up !!
The Gov are allowing Fracking, depending on a 'per individual application'
eg: Every local council makes it's own decisions about it's own regional planning applications.
But Gov might step in if things look like they might be going wrong !!!!!
Isn't that a bit too late ??
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@ Pete I was just going to post the same question about it being fracking ---- still some contraversy about that I think
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Plenty, fracking can cause problems miles away from where the drilling takes place. Apparently Electricity Board are happy that there will be no subsidence regarding local pylons.
However, there are still concerns regarding noise levels for 24 hour drilling from the environment officer. Conveniently the Local Authourity site showing the letters of the application support and protest has gone down. Government has bigged up Shale Gas extraction.
Coincidence :-?
We don't want drilling rigs operating 24/7 within a small distance from our houses (about 300 metres), on what is listed as a single track road, with a weight limit, no off road parking for residents, but large lorries are expected during the construction of this site. However there is nowhere for the residents to move their cars to - no off road parking - no garages,etc.Single track road - rural location.
It seems that the burn off of methane could contribute to global warming just as much, if not more than burning coal. Plus the possibilities of contamination of the water table.
Its been proved that fracking can cause subsidence up to 10 miles away from the drill site.
I can't wait a moment longer - can you?
Just think - 10 mile radius of Calow - you have been warned. :(
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Hasn't the local pressure group made any progress?
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Just think - 10 mile radius of Calow - you have been warned. :(
Try putting that on a map. Scary what it takes in.
http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm (http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm)
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Hasn't the local pressure group made any progress?
They have had three well attended meetings, had an interview with BBC Radio Sheffield with both residents, and a representative from Alkane Gas, petitions in local shops, and pre-prepared letters that residents can forward to DCC, and add their individual comments, etc. Further meetings planned for the new year I understand. From what I've seen of the correspondence between the various contributors to the planning application, the Environmental Officers comments seem to be upholding a lot our concerns in terms of noise levels measured on the site by the applicant, and their figures seem to be open to much further detailed investigation - anomalies shall we say.
There are a few banners in an around Calow - C.A.G.E. (Calow Against Gas Extraction) - I think there are 8 costing £30 each.
So it is ongoing, and will do for a while yet. >:(
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Interesting read. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9747207/Do-not-be-seduced-by-a-fracking-gas-bonanza.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9747207/Do-not-be-seduced-by-a-fracking-gas-bonanza.html)
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Try putting that on a map. Scary what it takes in.
Here you go, 10 mile radius of Calow.
This isn't just Calow. It's a lot of us !!!
(http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/Barry_Fly/FrackMe.jpg)
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/viability-of-shale-gas-power-source-in-doubt-due-to-cost-8428145.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/viability-of-shale-gas-power-source-in-doubt-due-to-cost-8428145.html)
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Hi.
I lived in Calow for many years, when as a child I remember drilling taking place all over the area in the 1960's with one borehole in particular near Elliots Butchers (slaughterhouse side) being capped off with valves. There were others. I was later told that it was to feed the new hospital with a supply of gas when it was needed.
I thought nothing of this until recently when the whole issue of boring and extraction of gas from Calow was renewed.
So this is not the first time and a few years ago I was told that local land owners were approached for access, presumably to get to the capped off boreholes.
There is plenty of gas underground in Bolsover and other deep mined areas so why not take this instead of upsetting the locals at Calow?
Old Miner.
Neil.
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The frackers keep claiming that they have been engaging in hydraulic fracturing for 60 years.
This is as silly as saying pea shooters are the same as assault rifles. Yes, a projectile comes out of a tube in both cases, but the power and effects are totally different. The fracking that they did 60 years ago was very shallow and they did not have the kinds of pumps they use now. The modern pumps are as strong as a commercial passenger jet engine and they can use up to 6 of these monsters on each well.
They also didn't use the same chemicals as they have now and never even attempted to do what they do now - smash to smithereens whole strata of solid rock. That is what they do. Can you imagine the power needed to do that? The earth is not a solid thing. there are cracks and fissures and underground streams and even lakes down there, and all that pressure is sending shocks and chemicals to where none of us knows.
Not even the geologists, engineers and drillers have even a faint idea of what effects this fracking is having down there thousands of feet in the earth. We only know, from plenty of evidence, that it poisons water, land, people, animals, crops and other vegetation. It also cause earthquakes and that should tell us just how powerful the stresses are from this process.
They do not care what damage they do, because the initial licence holders get out quickly. As soon as the first strong flows start, they sell off parts of the licence and get mug investors to put up money. Then they go off before the stream slows down and all the ecological problems start becoming obvious.
They then go and do the same thing to some other unfortunate communities. :-?
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Good post mate.
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Good post mate.
I'll be honest, I've borrowed it from a website I've found, but I agree with the thread.
https://www.facebook.com/britainandirelandfrackfree (https://www.facebook.com/britainandirelandfrackfree)
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http://www.robedwards.com/2012/12/the-dangers-of-scotlands-dash-for-underground-gas.html (http://www.robedwards.com/2012/12/the-dangers-of-scotlands-dash-for-underground-gas.html)
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Just been forwarded this link on FaceBook.
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/application_details/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4%2F0812%2F53&AppType=2 (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/application_details/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4%2F0812%2F53&AppType=2)
I don't think the map shows the true representative shot of the area that might have problems.
Some of the relevant files are also a little, one sided too :(
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Brighton & Hove Councilors against Fracking http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1274974 (http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1274974)
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Partial success - the applicant has withdrawn its proposals for now, & having to re-think. I thought it was strange when the farmer ploughed the field a couple of days before the letter arrived.
http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/planningdocuments/CM4-0812-53/2013%2003%2011%20Withdrawal%20Letter%20CM4-0812-53_Redacted.pdf (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/planningdocuments/CM4-0812-53/2013%2003%2011%20Withdrawal%20Letter%20CM4-0812-53_Redacted.pdf)
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Let's hope you get a full refusal of the application.
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Now they have the measure of you, they will be back - then the real fight begins. IMHO
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In the meantime, the Somerset House is going to be a Tesco Express, and the former CMC site (opposite the Somerset) an ambulance station - allegedly.
Oh what fun :)
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Plans for fracking have been shelved :)
Nice one for you Tony ;)
http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/calow-controversial-gas-plans-are-shelved-1-5607997 (http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/calow-controversial-gas-plans-are-shelved-1-5607997)
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As Pete says, they will be back, but at least we have had the nutz to stand up to them so far.
However, our illustrious rulers seem to be in favour of this sort of thing - so I guess we wait and see.
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Here ya go matey - I'll share my favourite motivational poster with you :)
(http://www.ichesterfield.co.uk/images/never-give-in.jpg)
Good luck with round 2.
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Haha!!
Cheers Bud :))
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Love it :D
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More stuff..........http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MKQ9DVLI2Z000 (http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MKQ9DVLI2Z000)
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More here.....http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage (http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage)
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Here....http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage (http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage)
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And some more here too....http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage (http://planapps-online.ne-derbyshire.gov.uk/online-applications/simpleSearchResults.do?action=firstPage)
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Hey,
I only found out about this a few weeks ago because I drove past a huge sign in calow. I only live nearby in Brim but it seems there is a real lack of awareness around here and it is not only the immediate area that will be affected by pollution. I asked around an no one seemed to have a clue about it...so anyway, when I saw that plans had been withdrawn for now I breathed a sigh of relief but I know they will be back obviously cos they won't give up on profit that easily. Are there any meetings about this coming up, I want to help if I can. Anyone who is pro fracking should take a look at what has happened in America, whole communities now with poisoned water supplies, illnesses and dead animals popping up all over the place. It's nothing to do with economy and everything to do with profits...they would move in, wreck the place, take their money and run leaving a toxic legacy for the locals. I couldn't view those links to planning ...are their more plans in motion?
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http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/ (http://calowdevelopment.net78.net/)
Watch this website.
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Hi Tameri, welcome to chesterfieldonline ;)
Not sure why the topic got locked peeps. Perhaps I pressed the wrong button on my mobile whilst at work :-[
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Fracking will meet resistance from southern nimbys, minister warns
Michael Fallon (the energy minister) says: 'We are going to see how thick their rectory walls are, whether they like the flaring at the end of the drive'
Funny how fracking becomes an issue when it affects the southern, middle class Conservatives…
The governments attitude seems to be, "It won't affect us if we allow it "up north" - but there is now the realisation that it could be a problem for their core voters.
It is a proven catastrophe in other parts of the world - but our government chooses to ignore this if it makes the rich even richer.
http://bit.ly/18VRllZ (http://bit.ly/18VRllZ)
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This fracking seems to bring out the worst in businesses - I just read this:
Children given lifelong ban on talking about fracking
Two Pennsylvanian children will live their lives under a gag order imposed under a $750,000 settlement
Where does this sort of behaviour end?
http://bit.ly/15Acd3n (http://bit.ly/15Acd3n)
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Thanks for link to site Scimitar :)
Thanks for welcome Fly :)
That gag order - insane
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/07/2426441/methane-leakage-gas-fields/%3Cbr%3E/ (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/08/07/2426441/methane-leakage-gas-fields/%3Cbr%3E/)
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I wonder what the residents of Calow will think if they get one of these?
Gas Well Flaring - Marcellus Shale Reality Tour Part 4 - Fracking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGqmwc4bGJY#ws)
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I've just added this facebook 'person' as a friend.
http://www.facebook.com/cage.calow (http://www.facebook.com/cage.calow)
Nice to see an image that was posted on chesterfieldonline.org being used to promote the cause :) No probs ;)
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http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/search_current/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0813/84&AppType=2&searchBy=CM4/0813/84&intDataCount=1 (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/search_current/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0813/84&AppType=2&searchBy=CM4/0813/84&intDataCount=1)
Here we go again
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I think you've got full support of the forum on this one Scimitar,
It's too close to houses and farms in Calow.
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New planning application for all available to read on DCC website.http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/search_current/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0813/84&AppType=2&searchBy=CM4/0813/84&intDataCount=1 (http://www.derbyshire.gov.uk/environment/planning/planning_applications/current_applications/search_current/app-details.asp?AppCode=CM4/0813/84&AppType=2&searchBy=CM4/0813/84&intDataCount=1)
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Saw it mate, lot on my plate at the moment, I meant to post the link to it :(
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No worries mate :)
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Just read about the meeting the locals had with the company, Alkane, and how Neil Baker and Tony Bryan for Alkane were seen laughing during a presentation made by CAGE member, Chris Wells.
I don't trust them. They'll have their wicked way with Calow and dump it when they can't make any more money, leaving the place in who knows what condition.
I'm glad I don't live that side of town.
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Re check the thread Pete. You live in the 10/15 mile radius the fracking could cause problems in. :(
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Fracking may be a problem later, but as the facts stood at the time of the meeting, they were not applying to be able to do fracking - just horizontal drilling for gas.
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I can't believe that Somerset House is going to be taken over by Tesco. My 3rd Great Grandparents (Denham's) lived in Somerset House in the early 1800's. Such a shame to think that such a fine building will have such tacky connotations. I hope it doesn't happen and if it does, that the building will be preserved.
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Just watched this on Netflix, quite interesting. Gasland Its about fracking and gas drilling in the USA and whats happened to the people around the area.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558250/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558250/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)
Make your own mind up.
:)
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Hi coldcomfortfarm, welcome to chesterfieldonline ;)
I've seen a few links to American fracking sites, none of them very good may I add >:(
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I understand the meeting at NEDDC today was to allow representions /presentations for the case against Tesco in Calow (3 minutes each maximum)to the council. There were 22 councilors there.
Apparently 22-0 to Calow against Tesco.
Don't know anymore than that.
Puts at least another 6 months between new planning proposals and appeals :)
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Peakfm said the application had been refused due to overwhelming local residents opposition to the plans.
AFIAK ;)
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But is not this only a hiccup as the rest of the application was passed, surely the latest refusal was only for the signs etc?
Having spent a small fortune on plans etc etc they are not going to give up!
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Of course they won't Jake, they'll get their way sooner or later and after a while all the Calow folk will be shopping there.
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I still have hopes for a Tesco. Have just been along to Lifestyle Express, our only shop in Calow. Very little choice, fresh stuff (peppers) which are not buyable because they are sad and wrinkled (like me?). And the cat food costs a lot more than it would in any supermarket. Nice people, they work hard and do their best
but we need a proper shop in a village as big as Calow. Other people drive off to other >:( places to buy what they need or do it online. But this isn't possible for everyone.
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Can I ask - is it just the fact that Tesco's are wanting to open in Calow - or is it where the location is they want to use which people are against.
Only visit Calow to the hospital so I know very little about shops/ area etc
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Given that people were up in arms when they thought t**** was going into the old cmc building you'd assume it's the principle. Again though id like to ask all the people campaigning when they last went in to the Somerset. Fact is if the pubs were used they wouldn't be so vulnerable to takeover
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Enterprise Inns own the Somerset house premises, and want a regular rent payment in the current climate of Pubs struggling. So they are happy to invite Tesco into their business plan because they will receive rent regularly.
However, the Pub has been (apparently) profitable & succesful with the current tennants so, all is well for now.
I must admit, I've seen the car park completely full on occasions - you don't see that very often nowadays.
Furthermore, its an historic building, built before most of Calow as you see it today.
Why desecrate it like the debacle which was once the White Horse in Whittington?
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Is there anywhere else in Calow that would be big enough for a Tesco - anyone?
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I don't think so - not that we want them in Calow anyway :(
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Some do though scimitar.
Someone has posted on here who would welcome one
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I saw that too OC - but they've only posted twice, both times supporting the idea, so maybe they've got a different agenda.
What a lot of people don't realise is that Tesco is not a cheap supermarket - although they do have special offers.
But my main objection is the way they are putting the small local businesses out of business.
Another example is the new Hobbycraft shop. As this was announced, A forArt decided to pack it in. Now it's open, just check their prices.
SHOP LOCAL! SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHOPS
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Most likely candidate I would think of would be the "Blacksmiths Arms", formerly known as the "Anvil" pub on Blacksmiths Lane,Calow. The Pub is not doing very well apparently & could close soon. It would be a better location in some respects - more central to the real village of Calow, and fewer traffic problems than the former proposed site, i.e. not on a major road, not intrerfering with hospital traffic, but not on a major road so probably unattractive as far as Tesco are concerned.
Alternatively the former Civil service club building near the White Hart pub, but thats not central to Calow.
Don't forget, Calow is a small village - with a hospital on its outskirts.
Tesco might have been handy for those going to the hospital, but would have been largely out of the way for many Calow folk, on foot, especially the senior generation.
Its not all over yet though I suppose :(
SHOP LOCAL - SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHOPS
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To me, a premises on the opposite side of the road would be a better bet for Tesco. That way they'd get custom from people coming to work in town and staff and visitors going to The Royal. Come to think of it, isn't there an ideal site with better parking right opposite the Somerset? ;)
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To me, a premises on the opposite side of the road would be a better bet for Tesco. That way they'd get custom from people coming to work in town and staff and visitors going to The Royal. Come to think of it, isn't there an ideal site with better parking right opposite the Somerset? ;)
In case you had not noticed,if you have not been through Calow lately, the former CMC bikes is now a car sales.
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I saw that too OC - but they've only posted twice, both times supporting the idea, so maybe they've got a different agenda.
What a lot of people don't realise is that Tesco is not a cheap supermarket - although they do have special offers.
But my main objection is the way they are putting the small local businesses out of business.
Another example is the new Hobbycraft shop. As this was announced, A forArt decided to pack it in. Now it's open, just check their prices.
SHOP LOCAL! SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHOPS
I understand what you are saying Pete, but there will probably some of Calows population who would welcome any larger store whatever price they had to pay as this woud make life easier if they didn't have to travel into Chesterfield.
Just a shame a smaller retailer coudn't expand
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In case you had not noticed,if you have not been through Calow lately, the former CMC bikes is now a car sales.
I had noticed but that's probably on a short lease to get some cash in from a site that's been vacant for quite a while.
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Looks like Tesco have won this one with the Somerset :-X
No further comments from me.
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Can you believe it. Tesco won. Goodbye Somerset House - Hello Tesco!
Gutted.com.
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No matter how well the pub was/ is doing, a simple signature from some overpaid twonk in a suit helps to ruin our village.
Roll on the Gas Extraction saga. I guess that will get pushed through too.
Come and rape Calow - she's ready for you :(
The same fate for the Crispin in Ashgate no doubt :(
Gutted - my money will still be spent in my local shops though - not Tesco, unless I really have to.
Please feel free to buy a sandwich from "Top Shop" top of Dark Lane Calow, opposite Calow Church. Neil & Vicky have run this shop for decades. They feel the most threatened. Police come from all over Chesterfield to buy their lunch here.That says a lot.
They make their profit largely from Cobs, sandwiches, etc, but should you decide to buy eggs, ham, whatever, it's locally sourced & top notch.Everything else is priced as normal - as bought from the Warehouse- no dearer.
SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHOPS & kick Tesco in the nuts.
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I used to buy my dinner, ham salad cob, from that shop on a regular basis.
Proper Ham, not packet sh** !
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I am very glad we are having a TESCO in Calow. It wouldn't have to be Tesco, it could be co -op or asda. But a store selling a proper quality and choice of food. The current local shops are not good enough for a community of this size. The corner shop sells pies and milk. What else? Fags and booze. This is why they feel threatened by Tesco. The other shop do their best and work hard, but sometimes the fresh food is beyond its best or something you hoped to get, is not available.And where am I supposed to get dog food? A lot of my pals in this area wanted a Tesco Express, they've told me so, but have preferred to be discreet in their wishes. People who drive, obviously go out of the area to get their food etc. No one relies on these local shops for their needs. Never. I don't believe it. If the local shops survive, good. But this news has been good news for many.
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I'm glad Bolsover is getting a Morrisons.
Hence I can't comment too much, I'd hate to sound like a hypocrite Pinfold.
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It's a shame it's happened, despite the overwhelming objection to this proposal.
Nevertheless, I still see further problems in terms of traffic; en route to the Royal Hospital, because parking space will be so limited.
There are no parking restrictions WHATSOEVER on that stretch of the road. So when the small car park is full, they will park on the road.
This will partially block traffic both ways. God forbid theres an accident on the M1 & till they re- route through Calow!
I seem to remember one of the councillors rejecting the original application for that reason alone.
If your critically ill relative is on their way to A&E, & dies because of traffic hold ups.........then your support of the Tesco encroachment in Calow may unwittingly leave a potentially life saving situation impossible.
Enough said - it's going to happen & thats it.
Rant (partially) over, but willing to continue >:(
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Maybe they will put double yellow lines on that stretch of the road, is there any and to the sides/back of the building which Tesco's may have also bought?
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I'm sure I've posted a similiar thing Scimitar. It was after the White Horse take over in New Whit I think.
People will just pull up and park anywhere, like they don't give a s***.
Tesco stuff will be cheaper than stuff in the Hospital :-(
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I am very glad we are having a TESCO in Calow. It wouldn't have to be Tesco, it could be co -op or asda. But a store selling a proper quality and choice of food. The current local shops are not good enough for a community of this size. The corner shop sells pies and milk. What else? Fags and booze. This is why they feel threatened by Tesco. The other shop do their best and work hard, but sometimes the fresh food is beyond its best or something you hoped to get, is not available.And where am I supposed to get dog food? A lot of my pals in this area wanted a Tesco Express, they've told me so, but have preferred to be discreet in their wishes. People who drive, obviously go out of the area to get their food etc. No one relies on these local shops for their needs. Never. I don't believe it. If the local shops survive, good. But this news has been good news for many.
I find your comments about the "Corner Shop" in particular repulsive. The shop delivers stuff to pensioners who can't get there free of charge. Tesco won't do that. They have local farmers supplying quality meat, eggs, Veg, Bread (Jacksons Bakery - Danesmoor), so they are buying local top quality produce. All reasonably priced. Beers are priced as per the warehouse - the pricing is on the label.
Many other items you buy there are "label priced". Same as you would get from Tesco. :)
Tesco dictate their price to farmers for their suppliers! They think they own suppliers & to a degree, they do. For the sake of quality though, thats wrong. >:(
I have no doubt "Corner Shop", or Top Shop as we know it will survive - because Tesco Express will be no cheaper on the vast majority of items.
Tesco seems to be complacent in its own demise at the moment - long may that continue!!
The "Top Shop" has the personal touch. They go the "extra mile" for the elderly/infirm. Tesco won't do that. >:(
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Well said Scimitar.
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I Think the 'Top Shop' will stand the test of time :-)
Hope I'm right.
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Maybe they will put double yellow lines on that stretch of the road, is there any and to the sides/back of the building which Tesco's may have also bought?
Sorry that should have read - is there any LAND ::)
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Sticking my neck out as I actually suspect that there will be many more people in Calow who will welcome a larger shop as pinfold says.
I'm not getting into any discussions about corner shops and the quality of their foods.
My post is purely because I think many people would welcome a shop where they have more choices in what they can buy as well as it being much nearer for them to shop.
Sadly the small corner shops are being wiped out by the big boys, I'm not saying I like this one bit, but that's the way we are moving. :(
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Yes, I know that the top shop is a good shop. It sells good quality stuff. They do a very good job. Its just that for many people in Calow,
a small supermarket will provide them with all the food etc. they need or want for the week.
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Either way, its going to happen, although there may be a couple of minor planning items to still be addressed.
A lot of people put a lot of effort & time into opposing it, but I suspect once its up & running it will be popular.
I just hope it doesn't impede the already busy road & create unwanted delays for traffic - more importantly ambulances.
Time will tell....
Nuff Said.
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It's a shame it happens to be Tesco - having read a bit about them in the press this week...
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Sadly I also think this 'Top Shop' will feel the pinch of this scimitar, which is sad as it is someone livelihood which may well be affected.
The route to the hospital is the one I always use so am hoping that the road and any possible traffic delays will be thwarted from the start.
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It's a shame it happens to be Tesco - having read a bit about them in the press this week...
Doesn't make for good reading does it Pete. I wasn't at all impressed by this weeks news either.
It's also a shame the Gov. couldn't give the smaller business a helping hand with cash to help them to expand if it's at all possible.
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The government aren't really interested in small businesses - big businesses are their masters - and they eat and swallow small businesses.
Its like the government are expecting everyone to adopt/agree with a dog eat dog philosophy as commerce seems to rule the planet, not elected people's representatives.
Democracy? Really?
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I agree that tesco should stop trampling over people that do not want a mini.tesco just corperate bullys, Enterprise inn's who own the Somerset should hang there heads in shame, i do go in the Somerset but not as often as i would like ,nice pub friendly, food is spot on ,couple running it have worked hard and seems to doing very well . Why don't Tesco sod off ! ok its going to create 20 jobs what about the people running the small shops in calow/brimington .
As already said going to be fun when trucks try to deliver with ambulance trying to get past all the idiots who park like numptys....and when the M1 is shut yea,all go through Calow ...gridlock will happen or worse an accident.
and for the record i live on top road and also drive a HGV!
and i won't be using the mini-tesco
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I agree that tesco should stop trampling over people that do not want a mini.tesco just corperate bullys, Enterprise inn's who own the Somerset should hang there heads in shame, i do go in the Somerset but not as often as i would like ,nice pub friendly, food is spot on ,couple running it have worked hard and seems to doing very well . Why don't Tesco sod off ! ok its going to create 20 jobs what about the people running the small shops in calow/brimington .
As already said going to be fun when trucks try to deliver with ambulance trying to get past all the idiots who park like numptys....and when the M1 is shut yea,all go through Calow ...gridlock will happen or worse an accident.
and for the record i live on top road and also drive a HGV!
and i won't be using the mini-tesco
Welcome to the forum Spiderman!
I live in Calow too (Dark Lane), and drive PCV's (Coach-Bus) , & I completely agree & share the same concerns as you.
I need to get to Stonegravels to start my shift, I get the bus - its free perk of job. There's already been about 3 events where I've been stuck in traffic on Hady Hill due to M1 traffic being diverted through calow & I've had to ring the depot to tell them I won't be there on time. The ensuing panic is a nightmare as you can imagine.
I applaud the ambulance drivers (as well as the other emergency services) for what they have to put up with in terms of dealing with traffic. I'm only a bus driver - I'm happy enough to sit in traffic as long as it takes - you have no choice at the end of the day - too few Bus lanes in Chesterfield to make a difference. A further possible traffic delaying problem in terms of Tesco Express & their very limited parking spaces doesn't look very encouraging - especially when staff & visitors to the hospital turn out at the same time and inevitably call there for something for their tea or supper or whatever. Only 13 parking spaces - minus what the staff take up!!
Can't wait :(
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Going back to the Calow Gas extraction - particularly as Alkane have decided to appeal right on cue, this makes worrying reading >:(
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/14/uk-to-allow-fracking-companies-to-use-any-substance-under-homes (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/14/uk-to-allow-fracking-companies-to-use-any-substance-under-homes)
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Blacksmith Arms (former "Anvil"), has just announced that it's closing.
White Hart in Calow might be the only pub to survive.
This was (previously) from Somerset House, Anvil,White Hart, Calow WMC, & Civil Service Club.
Sad times :(
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Blacksmith Arms (former "Anvil"), has just announced that it's closing.
White Hart in Calow might be the only pub to survive.
This was (previously) from Somerset House, Anvil,White Hart, Calow WMC, & Civil Service Club.
Sad times :(
Do you know when its closing so I can gets some pics?
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Is it true that the Somerset House is now staying open until next April?
Seems to be the latest rumour going around.
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Is it true that the Somerset House is now staying open until next April?
Seems to be the latest rumour going around.
I just heard "until further notice"
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Seven Star Gas /Alkane have announced an appeal to the Secretary of State regarding drilling for gas down Dark Lane in Calow.
So here we go again.
Lateral drilling proposed under large parts of Calow, Hady & Brimington.
Depending on which way the wind blows we have the Arkwright composting site, emissions (potentially) from Calow Gas exraction site, & high pollution from M1 corridor.
Take a good breath of clean fresh air in Chesterfield whilst you can :-?