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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Pete on January 12, 2012, 07:40:29 PM
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Chesterfield lad, Richard O’Dwyer, is to appear in court tomorrow (Friday) to fight his extradition to the US.
His crime? He hasn't committed any in the UK...
But the Yank nutters have decided they didn't like that he linked to sites they considered illegal and want him to be extradited to the US...
As I said in my blog last June when it first kicked off, "If Richard had done something wrong, he should be charged and tried in the UK."
As Richard did not reproduce or distribute copyrighted material, he merely linked to other sites that did, it would appear that he has committed no crime. In fact, in a similar case in 2007, Cheltenham computer engineer David Rock was arrested for running a website that offered links to sites containing pirated films and TV shows – the case was dismissed.
Good luck to him and Ya Boo Sucks to the great Satan.
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With you on this one Pete.
If, as we are lead to believe, he only supplied links, to sites that hosted copyright media files.
He's done nothing wrong.
The yanks just hate the fact his website/s was/were popular in the UK ???
Don't Google do a similiar thing >:(
I type in 'film download', they give me links to US websites with downloads.
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Exactly! If he stands trial in the US, Google should be stood next to him in the dock.
For a country that invades, rapes, murders, tortures, anywhere on the planet at will (or at least that has oil) I think the US is a criminal state, in fact, when you look into the CIA's record worldwide over the last 70 years it's easy to understand 911 happening.
But Richard actually dared to link to a website - Shock Horror!
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Here you go, download all the latest movies here.
www free movies downloads net
I might be green, but I'm no cabbage :D
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Fly volunteers for Guatanamo Bay... ;D
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I've got the address of a website that links to various sites that offers free streaming of sports events. Premier league football, Italian Spanish, the nfl, basketball etc etc you name it its on there.
The site works perfectly for 51 weeks of the year. Then the week before the Superbowl you get a message saying the site has been seized by US Homeland Security.
1 day after the Superbowl they are back with a slightly different URL.
So it's evidently ok to break the law till it might cost the US TV Networks money!!!
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I wonder if the UK will give equal consideration to extraditing The Duchess of York to Turkey? And I mean the UK government, not the UK royal family!
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Bang on JR.
Like I said in my earlier post. If we're being told the truth.
Extradition, on what grounds ?
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Seems the biggest crime in USA is to be "Unamerican" which of course the authorities interpret whatever way suits them.
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This is why SOPA needs to be stopped before it's a reality. Because that will give US authorities way too
much power outside the borders. Real power that no one can do a dang thing about.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the society these days. Internet and it's financial impact and
high value makes the US act globally like we all lived on American soil. And yes, it's wrong.
They're acting like it was an act of terror or a war crime.
Did you guys know that in some places today the punishment for copyright infringement is longer than it
is for rape?
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Once again, the American's win - the bastards!
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What Pete Said..But in CAPITAL LETTERS
Double Standard Justice.
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So what are the 'Good Old USofA' going to do with him 'if' they find him guilty of whatever it is they are accusing him of doing in the first place ?
Jail him, and pay for his up-keep.
Fine him, he's a student for godsake.
K'in ridiculous :-[
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Did the last Labour Gov really sign this extradition treaty. Blair, Jack Straw, Slacker ?
It doesn't have to be a crime in the UK.
In fact, under the terms of the extradition treaty we signed - which we have ratified, but the USA chose not to! - any British person, committing any act in the UK, which would have been illegal if they'd done it in the USA, can be extradited and jailed. That includes, for example, an 18 year old boy sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend, who could get ten years for statutory rape since the US age of consent is 18.
They don't actually go after those, but they could if they chose to, and legally there is nothing whatsoever that we could do about it.
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Quote of the week there Fly - quite an eye opener.
Good find Fly
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Surely they can't be extradited to USA if there is no connection with USA?
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The pirate bay is a Swedish site and it is laughing at threats from America http://thepiratebay.org/legal (http://thepiratebay.org/legal)
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Surely they can't be extradited to USA if there is no connection with USA?
Labour signed the treaty. Go back to page 1 of this thread.
I hope what I posted is wrong. :(
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We've been taking up the arse by America for so long our leaders think it's part of the PM's job description...
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In 1968 James Earl Ray was arrested at Heathrow Airport. Can you imagine how daft it would have been to try him over here for the assassination of Martin Luther King? You should be tried in the country where the alleged crime is committed. In both this and the McKinnon case, the alleged crime was committed in the UK. Furthermore, if it isn't a crime in the UK to do what this lad did in the UK, then that's hard luck on anywhere where it is a crime, really. If what he did is a crime here, then he gets tried here, if the CPS think it is worth it.
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Why can't people get it through their thick heads - he did not break any laws!
Incidentally, I noticed that it was the most read story on the Guardian website, which in my opinion, is a sign of it's importance.
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I think a lot of people are just jealous that he was making money by putting adverts on the site.
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This is worth a read:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/04/us-extradition-on-demand (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/04/us-extradition-on-demand)
I think this treaty needs to be looked at again.
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Why can't people get it through their thick heads - he did not break any laws!
Incidentally, I noticed that it was the most read story on the Guardian website, which in my opinion, is a sign of it's importance.
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I think a lot of people are just jealous that he was making money by putting adverts on the site.
Thats why I cant understand the decision. His site was not hosting anything, they were purely links to other sites. Apparently at one point he was making about £15k a month from adverts on his site which I think is why they are trying to get him extradited to make an example.
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Did the last Labour Gov really sign this extradition treaty. Blair, Jack Straw, Slacker ?
It doesn't have to be a crime in the UK.
In fact, under the terms of the extradition treaty we signed - which we have ratified, but the USA chose not to! - any British person, committing any act in the UK, which would have been illegal if they'd done it in the USA, can be extradited and jailed. That includes, for example, an 18 year old boy sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend, who could get ten years for statutory rape since the US age of consent is 18.
They don't actually go after those, but they could if they chose to, and legally there is nothing whatsoever that we could do about it.
Nice Find Barry
I take it then anybody drinking under the age 21 in this country is drinking illegally
and the majority of pubs and clubs are serving illegally.
http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1092767630.html (http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1092767630.html)
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Always sticking their noses into others business anyway --- one day they will come a cropper!
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Oh I hope they do OC - and I hope I'm around to see it.
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The US does seem to have a strange idea of right and wrong.....and as someone else said, the biggest sin of all seems to be anti-American.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please allow me to introduce myself, my name is Mr Anti-American - with every fibre of my very being!
Will I get pissed on for saying that? :)
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I recenetly saw something and can't for the life of me remember what...something fictional I think, but the author used the line "lets look at this map of the whole world" and it was a map of the USA which, though tongue in cheek, summed up their views perfectly.
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My favourite is when George shitforbrains Bush asked Charlotte Church where she was from. When she replied Wales, he asked what state it was in...
Most powerful man in the world at the time...
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I know this will sound like nothing but another conspiracy theory, but I think this was a done deal before they
even made this extradition order official. This is a scape goat case and nothing else, which means that this guy
didn't stand a chance. Since the judge bent backwards so easily, in spite that there was no reason to prosecute
in this country, it stinks.
They could've knocked down Google instead, but they didn't because it's a multi-billion dollar company that are
paying taxes in the US.
Whatever the discussions were when they decided on that treaty between the US and UK (I scratch yours and you
scratch mine?), it was obvious that it would be abused at some point.
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>> Whatever the discussions were when they decided on that treaty between the US and UK (I scratch yours and you
scratch mine?), it was obvious that it would be abused at some point.
Yep - I'd also like to know what was going on with our government to give away our sovereignty in such a one-sided deal.
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Yep - I'd also like to know what was going on with our government to give away our sovereignty in such a one-sided deal.
The usual - they rather protect their own back than care about the people they should serve. And they never think further
than 4 years ahead. I think politicians have some sort of built-in block that prevents them from planning for more than the
term they're in power....and that's when they plan their own future and nothing else.
A decision like this treaty should not have been signed without a vote from the public. It's that easy.
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When do the public ever get a vote/say on something like this ?
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When do the public ever get a vote/say on something like this ?
When I asked Robin the same thing, he said "never".
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I'm not supporting the Govt or US on this, but the issue is often portrayed in the media as being one sided. In actual fact, the US has never rejected any of the UK claims for extradition under these rules where as the UK as rejected 7, (I think) applications from the US.
So I don't think its one sided but as I said earlier, the US have a strange sense of right and wrong, often going after petty misdemeanors while their citizens go around shooting each other.
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If he'd set up a website selling weapons good old US of A wouldn't have blinked an eye
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Last Labour Government, Bend over and drop your your pants.
As much as I hate her, bring back Maggie.
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Radical cleric’s deportation ruled out on grounds that he didn’t infringe US copyright laws
Radical cleric Abu Qatada has won his appeal against deportation from the UK to Jordan at the European Court of Human Rights after it transpired that he didn’t make the same mistake as Sheffield student Richard O’Dwyer, and infringe any US copyright laws.
http://www.newsthump.com/2012/01/17/radical-clerics-deportation-ruled-out-on-grounds-that-he-didnt-infringe-us-copyright-laws/ (http://www.newsthump.com/2012/01/17/radical-clerics-deportation-ruled-out-on-grounds-that-he-didnt-infringe-us-copyright-laws/)
A story that simultaneously makes me laugh, feel sad and feel angry...
Hat tip to Caesar :)
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Tell the truth Pete ;)
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24028889-the-abu-qatada-case-proves-its-time-to-rethink-human-rights.do (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-24028889-the-abu-qatada-case-proves-its-time-to-rethink-human-rights.do)
Human rights again !! ::)
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Online petition
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-extradition-fair-uk-trial-for-richard-o-dwyer.html (http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-extradition-fair-uk-trial-for-richard-o-dwyer.html)
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The yanks seem to be getting tough
(http://i41.tinypic.com/255jg5l.jpg)
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Apparently Obama was questioned about this last night. No definitive answers (he's a politician right?) but all publicity helps Richard's case.
Story here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-16806025 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-16806025)
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(http://i43.tinypic.com/a2aeq8.jpg)
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Richard's appeal has failed, Teresa May, the Home Secretary, has sanctioned the extradition order.
If you went to Google and searched for film/tv/music downloads you'd find hundreds - so why isn't Google, an American company, based in America, in the dock? Because they are big, cash rich and American. Richard is small, not very well off and British.
It's time this country stopped be a yes man to America.
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It's shocking - poor lad. He used the same algorithms as Google, so why aren't they closing down Google??
I heard that America have tried to extradite both Russian and Chinese people for similar computer related issues and have had no success - so why do we allow our citizens to be given away so readily?
I guess the only plus side is if the poor lad survives his ordeal he may make some lucrative deals for his stories which will hopefully set him up for life - but what a price to pay.
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I'd love to make some money from advertising on my websites.
I actually got £35 in my PayPal account a few years ago, for affiliated software sells.
Not sure if I dare add a software search facility to my website now :-X
I'm totally, totally, against this extradition >:(
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Our government should be ashamed.
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Sweden obviously doesn't bow & scrape to USA, Pirate Bay openly mocks attempts by America to take legal action against them http://thepiratebay.se/legal (http://thepiratebay.se/legal)
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Maybe Swedish prime ministers don't like it up the bum...
Ours obviously do ::)
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LOL
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On a more serious note...
One of the reasons they state is that the film industry would go bust if file sharing continues. This is nonsense.
On Techeye is this story "Movie spending on the rise despite piracy fears"
"Despite widespread concerns in the film industry of a decline, it appears overall, celluloid spending is set to increase.
According to a report released by IHS, global consumer spending is expected to continue to rise over the coming years, with a jump from $61.4 billion in 2010 to $68.9 billion by 2015.
Testament to the bewildering amount of film consumption includes areas such as DVD rentals, Blu-ray sales, cinema tickets and streaming services among others."
So, it's down to greed again, with the US leading the field - how unsurprising.
http://bit.ly/wil0st (http://bit.ly/wil0st)
Hat tip to Greywulf.
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...why do we allow our citizens to be given away so readily?
It's not every foreign leader that gets a free trip on Air Force One.
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What no one seems to mention is this guy has made £150,000 out of this website
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I think that's why he did it - to earn some money to support himself as a student.
At the risk of repeating myself:
1) He did not have any copyrighted material on his site
2) He broke no UK laws
3) The Americans are using anti-terror legislation to extradite him
There is no reason he shouldn't be tried here. It's just US arrogance.
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What no one seems to mention is this guy has made £150,000 out of this website
I mentioned making money, 2nd post on this page.
What's wrong with advertising revenues ?
Oops sorry oldenglish, welcome to ChesterfieldOnline :)
I read your post but didn't take note who posted it :-[
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In think if he had sold the files for £150k he would have been on dodgy ground bot its only advertising revenue like any search engine makes. Google, Facebook etc do a lot worse by invading your privacy to target advertising.
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Thanks for the welcome Fly.
Not trying to get into an argument with my first post, but I do think this story raises a lot of questions.
The United States are our greatest ally. We have an extradition treaty with them. We should stick to it.
The press (DT) paint this guy whiter than white, an innocent, he isn't.
As I said, he will have his day in court.
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The press (DT) paint this guy whiter than white, an innocent, he isn't.
No arguments, just debates ;)
So what do 'you', think he's guilty of ?
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As we all know, he is innocent until proven guilty.
I break the law every day. Speeding, downloading, drinking under age (I wish :)) but those of us who are of a certan age, i.e. 50 ish, will hold their hand up and take their punishment.
This guy has made a packet, yet he/ his family think he's being victimised.
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Well, we all have our own opinions. But if I'd done something here in the UK that wasn't illegal, I wouldn't expect to be extradited to another country where it may or may not be illegal. If, for instance, I had searched for movie download sites at Google I would get tons of links to them - so why not bust Google? Because Google is American and it has a war chest full of money to fight legal actions. Plus the sites he linked to were mostly US too. I think that is hypocrisy in one of its most blatant forms.
You seem to very focused on the financial aspect - is there any specific reason this winds you up?
Oh - and welcome to the forums. :)
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Pete,
Thanks for the welcome, I have read your previous posts and respect your opinions.
Yes, I am focused on the financial aspects of this case. This guy has made 150k out of this and yet he is being portrayed as some kind of victim. As far as I know, he knew what he was doing, the US are making a test case out of it for whatever (financial) reasons.
We have an extradition treaty with the U.S. we should uphold it
He is obviously not a terrorist but a treaty is a treaty and the law is the law, weather we like it or not.
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The press (DT) paint this guy whiter than white, an innocent, he isn't.
No arguments, just debates ;)
So what do 'you', think he's guilty of ?
You never actually answered my reply oldenglish !
If we thought we could rack up £150K Per Year through advertising on this site, don't you think we'd do it.
I'd be well happy personally ;)
All Richard did was take the p1ss out of the USA, he knew he wasn't breaking any UK laws, and was getting paid advertising.
What he 'did', was to change the URL, (web address), of his website, everytime the US shut his site down.
The advertisers were still glad to, 'pay him', on his new URL.
The USA didn't like this and threw an extradition treaty into the argument.
Here's a link to some copyright photos. I took the photo's, I claim the copyright.
www.margaretfeatherstone.co.uk (http://www.margaretfeatherstone.co.uk)
These photo's are not stored or connected with ChesterfieldOnline.
In this country, this forum hasn't broken any laws by posting that link.
Just for the record,
This is my claim to copyright on another website of mine.
www.barryfeatherstone.co.uk (http://www.barryfeatherstone.co.uk)
Note the disclaimer at the bottom of the page.
I will allow links to my pages from yours, as long as it is made clear that it is a link to a page of my website.
Any other links will be classed or treat as theft.
English law. Not American.
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Fly,
What is he guilty of? Probably nothing, he made a fortune out of a dubious interpretation of international law.
I'm not condeming him, I just dont understand why he is portrayed as some kind of saint.
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The United States are our greatest ally. We have an extradition treaty with them. We should stick to it.
70 years ago they were, since then they've dragged us into unwanted wars
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Slacker,
You're right. It's like the little kid in the playground, pandering to the school bully for protection whilst dumping our real friends, Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc.
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& European countries. The EU is far from perfect but while it exists there is more likely to be peace in Europe.
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& European countries. The EU is far from perfect but while it exists there is more likely to be peace in Europe.
well apart from Bosnia, oh and I suppose Albania, and I guess Kosovo, maybe Cyprus, the odd former Russian state, Turkey, Slovenia.
And while ever the Germans are achieving economically what they failed to do twice militarially why should they worry?
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Countries that were not in the EU at the time
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Wait 'till they hear about Englebert entering the eurovision song contest.
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I just dont understand why he is portrayed as some kind of saint.
I don't see him as a saint, just an innocent silly young'un.
I'll be the first to put my hands up should the USA prove he broke UK law.
If you want to see documents from 'Endemol's Lawyers', to myself, over copyright. let me know ;)
I 'Backed Down' immediately. I'm older and knew better to argue with them 8)
Been there, seen it, done it. 'Deal Or No Deal'.
I could actually get sued for typing the name of that TV programme anywhere on the internet.
But I hope the Endemol Lawyers won't read this post, or let me off for the context it was used in ;)
As for Englebertle Humperdinkle, I think we stand a good chance this year ;D
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Countries that were not in the EU at the time
Granted but as usual you made a sweeping statement without checking facts or accuracy. You said
The EU is far from perfect but while it exists there is more likely to be peace in Europe.
Peace in EUROPE not the EU
The EU (and its predecessor the EEC) has existed since 1958.
Wiki lists over 30 European conflicts since that date as well as internal terorist issues like Ireland and the Basques. I concede that none of the members of the EU have gone to war against each other but hardly peaceful.
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From the DT website:
"The family of a student who faces extradition to the US has confirmed an appeal has been lodged by lawyers."
The final step as far as I know before the US get their nasty little hands on him. >:(
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Have you seen that this thread has been viewed by over 2,300 times! :o Yikes, this one's grabbed folk's attention.
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Sorry to open up this thread again..... (well not really!)
Just thought I could make you smile....
I work freelance, consequently there are lots of (insidious) new agencies popping up all over trying to persuade me to register with them. One of aforementioned agencies asked me to send my passport, drivers licence and NI card. Now... I may be blonde(ish) but I'm not that much of an idiot (most of the time).
They would not accept photocopies and because I had the audacity to tell them to, 'go away' they said they were going to report me to the Home Office to start extradition proceedings.
I did ask if I could choose my method of transportation - I'd much prefer a trip by (first class) train to be extradited back to Chesterfield from Sheffield. I even told them that I was extraditing myself to Chesterfield at the weekend to do a spot of shopping!
Needless to say - I have not joined their agency!!
It made me smile anyway!!! ;D
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It's a barmy country we live in Eeyore.
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I hear the LibDems are going to support Richard's fight against extradition and also that David Davis, Conservative former shadow home secretary, recently went to a meeting in Sheffield to support him.
Are we finally seeing some common sense at last? I hope so.
http://bit.ly/JIri2j (http://bit.ly/JIri2j)
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Seems like everyone except Theresa May is backing him. What a crazy world where violent foreign criminals can't be deported on release because of their human rights but a British lad can be extradited for running a search engine
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Absolutely! (But it wasn't any better under Labour though.)
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The law is a ass - often, it seems.
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Apparently the appeal has been put back and may not happen now until October.
That's enough time for Cameron et al to step in and tell the Yanks to get stuffed!
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-05/30/tvshack-appeal-delayed (http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-05/30/tvshack-appeal-delayed)
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Once again, we see Richard O'Dwyer being stitched up, this time by the British press, the Telegraph.
Under the headline "US lawyer hits out at Britain's 'ridiculous' decision to harbour paedophile" Telegraph reporter Donna Bowater stoops to new depths with innacurate reporting and downright lies.
Wrapped up in an article about this paedophile, Shawn Sullivan, that has no relevance to O'Dwyer's case other than they are both subject to extradition to the US, Ms Bowater lumps O'Dwyer in with a man who is under suspicion of molesting 11 year old girls and unlawful sex with a 14 year old girl.
She claims O'Dwyer is fighting extradition to face allegations of computer hacking - not true!
She also states that he ran a website showing pirated films and TV shows - not true!
Doesn't a Telegraph editor have to approve these articles?
http://bit.ly/NOe1tc (http://bit.ly/NOe1tc)
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Well, a bit of hope today for O'Dwyer. It appears the home secretary has backed off with the extradition of Gary McKinnon and announced that Britain’s extradition laws will be changed to include a ‘forum bar’, which would mean a court hearing has to be held to decide whether a person should stand trial in the UK or abroad.
So nothing concrete yet, and McKinnon had threatened to take his own life, but possibly light at the end of the tunnel.
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America seems a very dangerous place to be tried. It seems you can be put in prison for what you think or refusing to say what you think if this http://www.freeleah.org/ (http://www.freeleah.org/) is anything to go by. Would like to find out more about the background and the Grand Jury system. They also lock people up for a long time without trial if terror suspects are anything to go by.
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America seems a very dangerous place to be tried. It seems you can be put in prison for what you think or refusing to say what you think if this http://www.freeleah.org/ (http://www.freeleah.org/) is anything to go by. Would like to find out more about the background and the Grand Jury system. They also lock people up for a long time without trial if terror suspects are anything to go by.
This one is a really strange one because if you search any 'establishment' news site (BBC ITN Sky CNN NBC, ABC Fox etc) there's not one link or story and yet the online community seems to be rife. I wonder if it's a non-story being blown out of proportions by the conspiracy theorists.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19962844 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19962844)
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Sorry Pete, was that link aimed at me?
I meant the 'free Leah' story wasn't registering
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No doubt there are fictional things going round social media sites to see how far they can get but of course the authorities never cover things up ;D
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Oops Jon. My bad...
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Good for McKinnon, let's hope they see more sense and not extradite Richard.
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No doubt there are fictional things going round social media sites to see how far they can get but of course the authorities never cover things up ;D
I've known authorities cover things up (at the minute as a Liverpool fan better than most) but I've never come across what is allegedly a major story being given absolutely zero coverage by the majors and yet massive coverage on the net.
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At last, news of a breakthrough - he has done a deal that prevents his extradition.
"Richard O'Dwyer, the university student who created a website which linked to programmes and films online for free, has reached an agreement to avoid extradition to the US over copyright infringement allegations, the high court has been told.
The 24-year-old Sheffield Hallam undergraduate has signed a draft "deferred prosecution" agreement in the past two days which requires him to travel to the US and pay a small sum of compensation but will mean he will not face a trial or criminal record, the court was told."
http://bit.ly/U2gX69 (http://bit.ly/U2gX69)
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About time.