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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Slacker on October 28, 2013, 07:45:36 PM
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Reminds me of Dobbies, Crystal Peaks, McCarthur Glen.
Shops on the outside, food in your face in the centre.
Not really impressed. Think I preferred the maze it was before.
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I think it looks spacious and clean - hubby thought it looked like a prison ::)
Will have to go into town this week and look around it.
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Didn't get time to go there - v busy today.
It looks ok to me - hope it goes down well with visitors.
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It was busy today but I didn't see many people actually buying anything. For a grand reopening an awful lot of it wasn't open or even finished. Fred's are moving to top of building but were still carrying their stuff around there this morning. Other places were still under construction. The town cryer kept calling it the "town hall". Toilets were ok though.
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>> Toilets were ok though.
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Post of the week?
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As sad as it sounds, toilets mean a lot to me in my job. I can't just nip home.
Councils are closing so many public ones.
There's only so many times I can nip into the bookies on Elder Way.
At least we buy the staff a box of chockies at xmas ;)
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>> Toilets were ok though.
:)) :)) :))
Post of the week?
Hey don't knock the toilets - prioritise man prioritise.
Worst loos I know of around town (well just outside) are the Cineworld - stinky!!
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In my job I also need to know where decent toilets are. One advantage of prospective Tesco at Shirebook because you have to be desperate to use the "superloo" in the Market Place
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Doesn't a thread like this say anything to councillors. People need to pee.
I don't care if it's a shared hole in the floor.
Isn't it where people start to lose the plot.
I'm not demanding hot water to rinse me hands.
I don't need a hand dryer.
I just need to pee now and again !
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Bus drivers too. We've got nowhere to "go"
In a hurry that is.
Hardly any public toilets in town now without a queue.
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Feel sorry for bus drivers who have a route to stick to
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Doesn't a thread like this say anything to councillors. People need to pee.
I don't care if it's a shared hole in the floor. Isn't it where people start to lose the plot.
I'm not demanding hot water to rinse me hands.
I don't need a hand dryer.
I just need to pee now and again !
Err you can bugger orf Mr Fly By Night - have seen the 'holes' on my travels in some toilets - if you think I am squatting down there you can :P
@ Scimitar and Fly, if you are desperado and need the loo you are welcome to call and use out loo anytime, in general if the car is in the drive we are in.
Fly knows where we live.
I think you do our village run maybe sometimes scimitar so no probs - every bump can be painful when in need eh ;)
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Not keen on the unisex toilets!
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First I've heard Jake.
Can you enlighten us more, I didn't know the toilet's were being 'upgraded' ?
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The ones I went in weren't unisex! At least I don't think they were. :-[
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The ones I went in weren't unisex! At least I don't think they were. :-[
You mean you didn't see me in there?!!! >;
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I have finally got to look around the Market Hall - very disappointing.
I am putting my disability hat on for this as I have been with a wheelchair user and scrutinised the interior from a disabled persons eyes.
I think CBC or whoever agreed and paid for this refurbishment are falling foul of the DDA (Disability Discrimination Act )
Toilets-
Are not ok through the eyes of a wheelchair user.
First they have to be able to pull open the large heavy door whilst seated and enter before it closes onto them.
In the small space provided inside there are mens, ladies and disabled all with doors opening and closing as people entered and left wheelchair users waiting to use the accessible toilet (if it can be called that) are obviously 'in the way' as space is tight.
Once inside the disabled toilet it is squashy, with no room for a support worker to assist the disabled person on/ off the toilet if needed.
I really struggled, had to move the wheelchair back to the door and still couldn't work in a safe moving and handling position.
They may have left room for a 360deg turn (just) - but not taken into consideration the bins placed in there.
Wheelchair user had to back out.
No chance of opening the door themselves because of the cramped conditions inside.
I would think anyone using one of the larger 4x4 scooters would struggle even more.
I managed to wash my hands - then found there was NOTHING to dry them on, paper towels or hand dryer missing.
I looked at the other toilets near the cafe and encountered the same problem, large heavy doors, a squashy entrance hall for entrance and exit of ladies, mens and disabled.
This toilet had a baby changing space and would probably enable the wheelchair user to be able to turn and exit forwards in their wheelchair, again I reckon the 4x4's may struggle.
Shops
CBC you have discriminated disabled users!
They cannot enter the small shops if need a wheelchair or unable to climb a step!
Shame on you for allowing this to happen!
The space walking up from the meat stalls is also squashy and when busy will cause reall problems for those who are in a wheelchair or not too good at walking.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone came along and used the DDA against CBC.
And that stupid large area near the cafe????
If it is intended to stick some kind of market stalls our a small unit there - well then it will be just as squashy as before it was re-furbished.
Leave it as it is???
Quite frankly it looks silly!
Waste of money in my eyes what has been done inside -
Shame on you CBC >:(
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That's not a very good review OC :(
One would have thought that in this day and age the council would be more DDA aware >:(
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It's the Equalities Act nowadays, isn't it?
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Not sure Dave. I just used the terms OC had used ;)
Equality Act: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-guidance)
DDA: http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-disability-discrimination-act-dda (http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-disability-discrimination-act-dda)
Looks like the DDA is solely targeted at disability. Equality covers age, sexism etc.
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By putting a step to access the shops they are excluding wheelchair users and people who can't walk up a step.
That is discrimination against those people.
There are shops in Chesterfied which have had to provide ramps to enable disabled people access and accessible toilets in some eating places. The DDA act was used against them - McDonalds had to provide large automatic doors for entrance and install an accessible toilet on the level seating area.
Some shops can't make reasonable adjustments because of age position etc - this is accepted
Our borough council have revamped the Market Hall and excluded people with mobility problems from access into the shopping outlets.
How can they justify and get away with that!
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Are we, as a forum, going to ask further about this. Or just let it drop ?
I've got Toby Perkins email addy. Not that Mr Slack hasn't ;)
Not dragging you down on this one Slacky ;)
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I think that's a good idea Fly, would be interested to hear what they have to say.
I could name quite a few businesses in Chesterfield who have been asked to make accessible their premises or put in an accessible toilet.
I am wondering how they are feeling about this?
It actually cost McD's a lot of money but they made a good job of it in the end - why should the council get away with it without being questioned on it
Don't blame Mr Slack at all it has to be from the top where this has been agreed
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Mission on. Tomorrow, or next week.
Tonight might not be the best time to start ;)
I've got something else to sort out first 8)
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May have a couple of units myself tonight, been one dreadful week and still not sorted - think I'm ready for one :(
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The Council used to have an Architect (gentleman by the name of David Botham) whose specific job was to make sure that all borough council buildings met the requirements. He also advised other shops businesses etc on how to adapt their buildings. Can only assume his role / post has been a victim of the cuts and transfers to private contractors.
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Think it's a bit of a disgrace, and a total lack of council regs.
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The curious thing is that it passed planning??
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They had a 'blank canvas' so no excuse in my mind.
Clearly disabled people have not been taken into thought
- and the toilets - badly thought out.com
When we went in yesterday people were going in/out of ladies and gents we were 'in the way' waiting for the disabled toilet, then a young woman came out with a double buggy, even more chaos in the squashed spaced, I wished we could have put the w/chair into 'hover mode' to ceiling height ::)
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Not sure Dave. I just used the terms OC had used ;)
Equality Act: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-guidance (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-guidance)
DDA: http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-disability-discrimination-act-dda (http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/the-disability-discrimination-act-dda)
Looks like the DDA is solely targeted at disability. Equality covers age, sexism etc.
Here ya go Fly
https://www.gov.uk/equality-act-2010-guidance (https://www.gov.uk/equality-act-2010-guidance)
I'll try and get to the Market Hall sometime next week and see how it checks out.
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Got you Dave, it all comes under the Equality Act ;)
I notice, 'another place', has mentioned the lack of disability access too.
I won't slate the poster as he thinks we might.
At least he made it clear he had copied it from somewhere else.
This issue does need looking into.
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Had to have a look after reading your post Fly, the way it was written was out in the open so no problem with it.
The post mentions concrete and levelling the step but to be honest in my opinion once a wheelchair user was inside the shop (or whatever they are called) they would block the area, I didn't walk inside ( I actually just stood there gob smacked) but not sure if there was enough room for w/chair users to turn right around or if they would have to back out.
Total congestion.
maybe someone else who uses a wheelchair and tried it may tell us.
Toilets
The old ones which were accessed on the side of the Market Hall were more adequate to me.
Ok they were out dated, but kept clean and plenty of room inside to work around the caree
I think I read a sign which said Changes Rooms on the Market Hall outer wall- correct me if that is wrong.
Initially on reading this I though oh brill I know of these
This the link to changing places (not rooms) in Sheffield which I thought they were going to be.
https://www.signpostsheffield.org.uk/out-about/changing-places.html#bottom (https://www.signpostsheffield.org.uk/out-about/changing-places.html#bottom)
Anyone who is out with a disabled person can check on line if there are any of these if they are going to an unfamiliar place
I am not suggesting CBC should have spent thousands on a toilet like the above although it would have been brilliant, but they could have least made sure that carers (some disabled people need 2 carers) could get around the wheelchair to give support by making the rooms large enough.
Just can't believe they had a blank canvas and did this, still shaking my head.
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When the toilets were on the outside the ladies' may have been east to access but the gents' were down a large flight of stairs
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I was speaking about the disabled toilets Slacker, they were accessed by Radar key for male or female
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Slacker: yes the loos were down a set of stairs. This refurb was an opportunity to correct this. Obviously an epic fail !!!
Did planning and building control not look at it? Who did the architectural design?
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Been a week now since I emailed Toby Perkins asking him about his views on this subject. I got the automated response from his office saying they had received my email. Still haven't had anymore correspondence from them.
I've just posted on the darkside, a similiar post to this. Obviously if I get a reply from Toby, It will be on here first.
Bit sad that we can mention them, but we get, 'told off', if we mention us over there. Are they scared of losing members ?
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This has appeared on my facebook page ::)
Pity I didn't get it before the Market Hall was done
Mind you if we have to wait for Cameron - --------
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/david-cameron-call-to-all-councils-to-change-disabled-toilets-to-changing-places-toilets-with-bench-and-hoist-for-paralysed-severely-disabled-people-children (http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/david-cameron-call-to-all-councils-to-change-disabled-toilets-to-changing-places-toilets-with-bench-and-hoist-for-paralysed-severely-disabled-people-children)