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General Category => Rants => Topic started by: Pete on January 22, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
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This is the sort of headline that will be ignored by most folk, but it perfectly illustrates one aspect of the cuts on the poorest people in the country. It will probably be forgotten in a few days - but it's impact shouldn't be underestimated. Pensioners especially, the unemployed and minimum wage earners and their children will not be getting the healthy and nutritious diet that they should, resulting in health problems later in life. But then, Cameron doesn't give a monkeys about the underprivileged and vulnerable - just as long as his mates get more and more money.
From the Guardian website:
Households in the lowest tenth of incomes were buying only 2.7 portions of fruit and vegetables a day at the end of 2010, the latest year for which figures are available, while the average household continued to buy about four portions per person, according to statistics from the Department of Environment Food and Rural Affairs (Defra).
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I have to say that this has sod all to do with the economy and more with CBA.
From Sainsburys online
You can buy a bag of apples for 90p
8 bananas for £1.15
5 oranges for 70p
Carrots £1 a kilo
Cauliflower £1.20
Broccoli £2/kilo
Alternatively of course a multi pack of crisps is £1.20 2 litres of Coke £1.98 and a bar of dairy milk £1.99!!
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What's CBA?
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Can't Be A***D!!!
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Working on the theory that all poor, unemployed or old people are just chavs?
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I could be wrong, but the fact is that fruit and veg isn't all that expensive if you
know where to buy and what to do with it. There is an awful lot of people who doesn't
seem to know what to do with an eggplant or beetroot...or whatever it might be.
And if it is a reflection on our financial status it's probably because most people tend to
spend more money on treats and other things they don't need when they least can afford to.
We all do that one way or another, but of course if you're on benefits something else have to
go.
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Good point - if folks are down in the dumps maybe they just think f*ck it! I'm buying a big bar of chocolate...
Actually, this is borne out by Christmas sales figures where Tesco screwed up big style relying on price cuts - and yet the luxury goods figures were up.
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Yeah...and around Christmas it's crazier than ever with things and goodies that we usually
wouldn't buy. A lot of families struggle like crazy during the holidays and there are a lot who
will have to choose between the food or the presents. And with kids around...well, if you told
them that Santa exist, the veg and fruit is definitely out the window.
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Yep, I'm with JR on this one.
The chattering classes always making excuses for the poor about not eating fresh fruit and veg, yet when you actually look at prices, its cheaper to eat fresh fruit and veg, even more so if you grow your own.
Just like those who blame lack of reading skills on costs, but books can be hired for free from the library, not to mention that schools are constantly sending reading books home with the kids to learn.
Yet they seem to be able to afford computer consoles.
And poor people, statistically are more likely to smoke, more likely to buy lottery tickets, and so on.
We all make choices in life, but some people just make poor choices, or maybe we should ban people from buying crisps because they are too un-educated to make the right choice?
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Not sure if the phrase, 'Brought up, not dragged up', works here.
Over the last say, 30 years, have more kids been dragged up by their parents with a CBA attitude.
No jobs bla bla bla
These kids are now having their own kids, born with a CBA attitude.
Am I lucky to have been brought up from within a working class family ?
If I, find it hard to believe, how the mind of a CBA family enviroment works,
how the hell does a politician, on his/her wages.
Hope this makes sense ::)
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The demise of functions such as Youth Service and Sure Start will exacerbate the situation. There is a generation growing up and having their own kids who know no better from their own parents about health eating and need support.
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The demise of functions such as Youth Service and Sure Start will exacerbate the situation. There is a generation growing up and having their own kids who know no better from their own parents about health eating and need support.
But surely the people mentioned in the original post have benefited from things like Sure Start etc and stiil CBA.
Nice try at trying to score political points but to be honest your signature sums up your contribution quite nicely.
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Some can't be bothered others know no better
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So Sure Start was a waste of time effort and money then?
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Some can't be bothered others know no better
Thats a bit lame. I can't accept that anyone is so un-educated that they would think a bag of crisps is more healthier than an apple.
Its not about knowledge, is about attitude.
Oh and by the way, teaching your kids to say please and thank you doesn't cost anything at all.
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Putting my 2 cents in if i may.
I don't work at the moment and havnt for a year, i certainly dont have a cba attitude when it comes to job hunting however there isnt the job for me at the moment, I don't smoke and i don't drink so i feel that the statement that thats what poor folks do is a bit lame. I am poor but i don't spend my money on things like that,
Clothes for the little one, uniform for her every few months, food each week, new shoes, gas, electric etc has to come out of the money we get. Yes fruit and veg is cheap and i can gladly say they are things which are a part of our diet but i hate to think that people like my family are being put in a group because we are of the poorer kind.
My parents for years and years were poor and i agree the way THEY did things were not to be expected (selfish is the word) Which is why i chose to do things differently.
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So Sure Start was a waste of time effort and money then?
Not sure it should be called a waste just because there isn't 100% take up.
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But do the families teach their kids to say please and thank you.
I have 5 grandkids, I can take them anywhere and they will be polite and say please and thank you, but on the next table there are scrotes who run riot. I am very proud of the fact that I can cook, my kids can cook and 2 of the grandkids can cook.
The other 3 will be taught.
Only one of my family is over 10 stone, we are heathy and fit.
And why? Because we don't eat junk.
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Putting my 2 cents in if i may.
I don't work at the moment and havnt for a year, i certainly dont have a cba attitude when it comes to job hunting however there isnt the job for me at the moment, I don't smoke and i don't drink so i feel that the statement that thats what poor folks do is a bit lame. I am poor but i don't spend my money on things like that,
Clothes for the little one, uniform for her every few months, food each week, new shoes, gas, electric etc has to come out of the money we get. Yes fruit and veg is cheap and i can gladly say they are things which are a part of our diet but i hate to think that people like my family are being put in a group because we are of the poorer kind.
My parents for years and years were poor and i agree the way THEY did things were not to be expected (selfish is the word) Which is why i chose to do things differently.
Well said Emma, I too had a very poor upbringing and have known poverty as an adult, but worked very hard to change things.
How you bring your kids up is nothing to do with if you are rich or poor. Some parents do a good job and they can be skint, but on the other hand, there are some parents that are rubbish but have lots of money. We all make choices, and if some people choose to feed their kids crap, the luvvies from the "Graudian" shouldn't be making the rest of us feel guilty or responsible for that.
Or as I like to say; "Let them eat cake" lol.
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Me too! My childhood memories include bread and jam for tea, no holidays some years, having long trousers that were too short cos I grew so fast my parents couldn't afford new ones. No schools trips, worn out shoes, cheap football boots, etc.
I too was taught right from wrong, how to be polite, giving up seats for older folks, writing thank you letters at Christmas, etc.
And I'm a Guardian reader... Shock, horror!
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So Sure Start was a waste of time effort and money then?
Sure start no its been the biggest help in the early stages of having a child and i think it should carry on getting any funding it can. Think that more parents should try and join in the many groups that their centre have to offer including the fruit and veg they sell by the bagful!
Brampton (near me) is a great centre and was a big help when i needed them (quite a lot actually)
Agree in ways that parents should be able to give fruit and veg more but why should it be shoved down our throats?
Again as a youngster i dont remember having that much of the green stuff. I too didnt have holidays or even meals on set days because my parents wanted their cigs >:( but hey such is life, i dont want to be tarred with the same brush because im in the position they were in....blah
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Just for the record, I wasn't implying that all kids of CBA parents turn into CBA's.
I'm sure you all know I'm not that shallow to imply that.
I personally think the Sure Start thing was/is good.
A similiar thing was in situ when me and my ex parted.
We used it as a neutral ground for my contact with the kids.
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Poverty and a poor upbringing are not necessarily linked and having a bad upbringing yourself does not automatically imply you will bring your own kids up badly however it is likely that you have more obstacles to overcome to be a good parent. It probably means you are stronger than someone who had good role models to follow.
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And how many people on the market shout £ a bag? The art of cooking is lost.
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Yes agree that not many people can cook nowadays. I can to a standard also took some cooking lessons to improve myself, as it happens chicken casserole tonight people!!! Lots of healthy veg and meat too :D
A woman i met at this group, older than myself she was completly uselss, the "cooking" she did was bung a pizza in the oven, she apparently never cooks and she told me that veg is not a big thing in her house, she was also not partial to doing the washing up :@
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I was bought up in a mining family with only dad working, our toys and clothes were bought through Provident cheques.
We had to fill up on bread abd potatoes, but did have some fruit. I remember sitting watching tele with a pomegranate and darning needle OMG
These days fruit and veg (fresh) are a big part of my diet.
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>> pomegranate and darning needle
Sounds like our house.