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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Sorastro on February 13, 2022, 12:59:32 PM
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So it would appear Russia is not very happy with European states joining N.A.T.O. and are doing their utmost to stop the Ukraine from joining and the only way Putin can see to stop that is invade Ukraine and make it a Russian enclave.
The U.S. is sabre rattling in a big way, daring Russia to step over the line. Both sides appear to be spoiling for a fight, Britain has tried, and failed, to calm things down by sending of all people Liz {cheese} Truss to talk to her Russian counterpart and he basically sent her away with a flea in her ear and I don't blame him, a child of three has a better negotiating strategy than Liz Truss, she has as much diplomacy as a dead frog and even I knew it was a bad move to send her on such a delicate mission and her Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov must have thought Britain was taking the p*ss by sending her.
Putin is not stupid..... he knows that the West are making assumptions as to what his motives are and he's letting them. Apart from not wanting any more N.A.T.O. countries bordering Russia he knows he has the upper hand in any negotiations that follow. Unlike most countries in the West that vote every few years for a new leader, Putin is in the position of not having his presidency challenged and those that do challenge him usually find, to their cost, that it was a big mistake so basically he has a free reign, but he doesn't have the backing of the vast majority of the Russian people.
As for Liz Truss she ought to get a job stacking shelves in a supermarket somewhere because she's clearly not cut out for the job she has been given and if the worlds security IS dependant on people like her then God help us all.
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After the invasion started Zelensky has been on t.v. to appeal to the West for help.
I can understand his frustration, he want's help NOW.
Watching him on t.v. you can clearly read between the lines, he is saying the West is all talk and very little action, and I totally agree. Take Biden for example, what he wasn't going to do if Putin invaded.... but when he did there has not been a peep from him, in fact him and the missus have b*ggered off to camp David for the weekend, as someone pointed out.........
"Well he is 79 and senile so he's probably forgot all about it".
Sanctions do and will work, given time, unfortunately the Ukraine hasn't got time and is going down the pan fast.
Colonel Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Pol pot, Hitler I thought we had left tyrants like these back in the last century, now we find ourselves having to face another nut job in Putin.
IMHO
If left unchallenged Putin is not going to just stop at Ukraine.
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Watching Putin on Tv one last week I got the impression he has 'detached' himself from what he is doing. He needs medical help !
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From what I can gather on the news Ukraine are claiming to have killed hundreds of Russian soldiers.
If true, and with other stories of the Russian invaders circulating, it would appear Putin did not sent in his crack troops. He was obviously under the impression this was going to be a doddle so he's apparently sent in young inexperienced conscripts, cannon fodder if you will, and it's backfired badly. It would seem these young lads don't want a war they just want to go home.
They know it, the Ukrainians know it, the West must have figured it out by now. Those soldiers are not stopping fighting because a worse fate is awaiting them back in Russia if they dare to go home.
The Wests only hope is that the Russian people turn on their leader before he gets out the big red button.
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Did you noticed Boris's face yesterday when the lady had 'a go' at him for not helping by sending troops in - I thought he was going to cry.
I suppose the reality is if Troops are sent in from other nations we then really will have WW3 -
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Did you noticed Boris's face yesterday when the lady had 'a go' at him for not helping by sending troops in - I thought he was going to cry.
I suppose the reality is if Troops are sent in from other nations we then really will have WW3 -
Yes I did.... it's quite obvious he's not used to being talked to like that plus as I've pointed out on previous posts he is very uncomfortable with live interviews because he can't think on his feet.
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Apparently Putin had the gall to come on Russian television today to mark "International women's day".
I thought Boris had no shame but he could certainly take lessons from Putin.
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It might be just me but.....
It seems our government has to be repeatedly shamed into doing something before it gets done, and even when they do finally "leap" into action you have to be on their case every minute.
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From what I can gather on the news Ukraine are claiming to have killed hundreds of Russian soldiers.
If true, and with other stories of the Russian invaders circulating, it would appear Putin did not sent in his crack troops. He was obviously under the impression this was going to be a doddle so he's apparently sent in young inexperienced conscripts, cannon fodder if you will, and it's backfired badly. It would seem these young lads don't want a war they just want to go home.
They know it, the Ukrainians know it, the West must have figured it out by now. Those soldiers are not stopping fighting because a worse fate is awaiting them back in Russia if they dare to go home.
The Wests only hope is that the Russian people turn on their leader before he gets out the big red button.
It seems that Russia has started to hint that all is not going well. The sanctions must certainly be biting but even I know more could and should be done quicker. I read that their national airline Aeroflot "rents" most of their fleet and the companies that lease them want them back but it's proving easier said than done.
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Although sanctions are having an effect on the Russian economy there are countries that are still pouring millions of roubles back to Russian banks.
When they first invaded I was under the impression that we were heavily reliant on Russian gas so days later they would switch off the tap and we would have no gas. As it turns out we only import 4% of our gas from Russia, but it's countries like Germany that rely heavily on Russian gas that are filling the Russian coffers, a bit of a dilemma for them obviously but it doesn't help Ukraine.
Putin underestimated the Ukraine's resolve and it's been a bloody nose for him, this war may now become a face saving exercise for him so now is the chance for Zelensky to try to reach a peace settlement.
How's it all going to end, your guess is as good as mine, but however it pans out Putin is now the worlds pariah and hopefully the Russian people won't let him forget it.
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How's it all going to end, your guess is as good as mine, but however it pans out Putin is now the worlds pariah and hopefully the Russian people won't let him forget it.
The problem there, is that the Russian media is so heavily censored, that normal people don't realise that the information they're getting is what Putin wants the people to believe, and is not necessarily anything even near approaching the truth.
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You know the old saying..........
You can fool SOME of the people ALL of the time
You can fool ALL of the people SOME of the time
But you can't fool ALL of the people ALL of the time......
Sooner or later it will catch up with him, lets hope it's sooner.
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In the Donbas region it seems to be nip and tuck with ground being lost and gained on both sides.
The Ukranians are putting up a stiff resistance but are short of weapons as the allied countries don't seem to be equipping them fast enough.
I think the turning point will be when Biden supplies them with long range missiles, these apparently are to be supplied on the condition that they are just used on short range targets.......yeh! like that's going to happen.
The first missile launched into Russian territory will be the signal for Putin to pound Ukraine with everything he's got under the pretext that "Ukraine has invaded Russia so we must defend ourselves".
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Now it appears the U.S.A. and China are squaring up to one another over Taiwan.
Not to be left out I think we should invade the Scilly isles and threaten them with our 1 ship, 3 aeroplanes and 4 tanks.
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Now it appears the U.S.A. and China are squaring up to one another over Taiwan.
Not to be left out I think we should invade the Scilly isles and threaten them with our 1 ship, 3 aeroplanes and 4 tanks.
😂
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There seems to be unrest all around the Globe. It's quite concerning really.
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I suppose from a cynical point of view war and pestilence does keep the worlds population near an acceptable level.
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So it really looks like Putin is spoiling for a fight. He has lost significant ground, and is planning referendums in these regions to get them to become part of Russia. Everyone knows the ballots will be rigged unless a U.N. peace keeping force can bring in vote checkers to make sure the voting is fair and above board, although Putin {if he loses} will claim Western interference has rigged the result so you can't win.
The only thing I can see is if these 300,000 reservists he's planning to call up either don't go or refuse to go, even he can't afford to upset his army, so my hope is that the Russian people see sense and refuse to fight.
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The only thing I can see is if these 300,000 reservists he's planning to call up either don't go or refuse to go, even he can't afford to upset his army, so my hope is that the Russian people see sense and refuse to fight.
It looks as though these lads are either being arrested, for refusing to go, or are heading for the hills while they can, it seems that the truth has been slowly seeping into Russia over Ukraine.
Putin is struggling, his {mainly} conscripts, that were first sent, didn't want to fight in the first place so their need to be triumphant is not as ingrained in them as it is a Ukrainian fighter.
Putin's firepower, although vast, is no match for the up to date sophisticated equipment being supplied to Ukraine by the West, you only have to look at the ground that Ukraine has retaken in such a small space of time to realise that Putin is being totally "outgunned". His threat of using nuclear missiles is {hopefully} just that, even he must know that launching these missiles will do massive damage and cause an horrendous loss of life, so he must weigh that up against most Western countries would retaliate and there won't be much left of Russia after that.
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I watched Putin talking yesterday. The people in that room seemed unhappy and not impressed.
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Germany's reluctance to send Ukraine their Leopard tanks stems from the fact that people and Countries have long memories of WW2 and they don't want to appear to be kicking off again especially when it involves Russia.
One way out of this impasse would be for us to send our Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine and buy to use Leopards from the Germans that way everyone's "happy"
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Germany's reluctance to send Ukraine their Leopard tanks stems from the fact that people and Countries have long memories of WW2 and they don't want to appear to be kicking off again especially when it involves Russia.
One way out of this impasse would be for us to send our Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine and buy to use Leopards from the Germans that way everyone's "happy"
Looking like things are moving now on the tanks front - I've a very uneasy feeling about this -------
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It seems as if we have the tank situation sorted but now America and the rest are dithering over planes.
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and we have only just heard about Putin's chat with Bojo months ago.....
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Not to mention American shooting China's balloon down - I'm waiting to hear if it really was A WEATHER BALLOON (hopefully we will get the truth???
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So it would appear the tables are turning. The leader of Wagner is taking all his troops to march on Moscow. It's in the early stages but Putin has wet himself already and left the Kremlin {for parts unknown}. Everyone knows that Wagner is mainly made up of Russian convicts that have nothing to lose and have every right to despise Putin's Russia so it's do or die for them, also Putin knows Wagners troops are better fighters than his regular army so letting them get within Moscows walls will spell the death knell for Putins power.
Even though this is a coup for the Ukranians the leader of Wagner has done himself {and his men} no favours, instead of fighting one enemy he has now ended up with two to deal with one at the front and one behind him he basically has nowhere to go only forwards.
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Well! only 24 hours later and there's been a total reverse.
It would appear that the Wagner leader has either been bought off or he came to his senses, either way Wagner troops have been ordered back to Ukraine {minus their leader} and their leader Prigozhin is now in exile with all charges of mutiny dropped, possibly he could be in Belarus.
There was a glimmer of hope yesterday and it's now been quashed.
All I can say is Putin doesn't forget and he doesn't forgive either, remember Litvinenko!!
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Rumours that the head of the Wagner group was on that downed plane yesterday, if true I'm surprised he lasted that long.
I just feel sorry for the nine other souls that perished with him {collateral damage apparently}
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I don't get why Putin didn't just wipe him after the 'incident'. He had reason.
Why this now tragic 'accident'?
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I don't get why Putin didn't just wipe him after the 'incident'. He had reason.
Why this now tragic 'accident'?
He'll need to pretend it was an accident
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I feel for the people of Gaza...but it seems every time a conflict arises in the world everyone forgets about the previous one.
I refer of course to Ukraine. It appears the military aid being given and promised has now been reduced to a trickle, so much so Putin is upping his game {with serious military weapons help from Nth. Korea}
Putin must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when the Gaza business kicked off, in the space of a few weeks he's gone from getting his ar*e whupped to virtually overrunning the Ukrainian army and retaking ground lost and the U.S. and other countries {us included} are literally turning their backs on Ukraine.
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I refer of course to Ukraine. It appears the military aid being given and promised has now been reduced to a trickle, so much so Putin is upping his game {with serious military weapons help from Nth. Korea}
Putin must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when the Gaza business kicked off, in the space of a few weeks he's gone from getting his ar*e whupped to virtually overrunning the Ukrainian army and retaking ground lost and the U.S. and other countries {us included} are literally turning their backs on Ukraine.
And was it thus so!! Ukraine is struggling.