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General Category => Old Chesterfield => Topic started by: Old Cruser on May 17, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
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This photo was taken around 1905, my grandfather is one of the children sat on the wall.
Unfortunately we don't know where the Church was at first we thought it was ST John's in Tupton but it's not, someone said North Wingfield but I don't think it is.
We will never know!!
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Tried a couple of things with this one OC, obviously I'll let you know if I hear owt ;)
Any idea why one of the faces is blurred out if you don't mind me asking?
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Tried a couple of things with this one OC, obviously I'll let you know if I hear owt ;)
Any idea why one of the faces is blurred out if you don't mind me asking?
The picture wasn't in good shape Fly and a relative cleaned it up the best he could, made a pretty good job of it as well, but unfortunately the little ones face still couldn't be made clear enough to see.
My grandfathers family moved here from Gloucester and the Church may be there but as we don't know the exact date it was taken it remains a mystery.
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I thought it might be Brimington Pam but on closer inspection it seems quite a bit smaller that Brimington. I will look through my old postcards and see if that gives any clues. Lovely image though.
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Thanks Poppy some have said North Wingfield Church but I don't think it is.
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Tried a couple of things with this one OC, obviously I'll let you know if I hear owt ;)
Any idea why one of the faces is blurred out if you don't mind me asking?
It's doing quite well on the F/B site Barry ;)
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I've checked out the Old Tupton Chapel today and it's definitely not that.
I have contacted Gloucester Local History Society and had a prompt reply back asking me to email the two photographs for them to check if the photo's were taken 'before' my great grand parents moved here.
Fingers crossed. ;)
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Nice one OC. I was thinking something similiar etc (y)
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Nice one OC. I was thinking something similiar etc (y)
When I email them I'll give the area they lived in as well Fly.
The lady who replied said she would take them to the AGM meeting which is coming up, for others to check them out, which I think is very kind of her.
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Ok this I will try this again - sorastro have you any ideas?
Anyone ???
My search came to nothing but I have tried to get a look at Calow Church but it is difficult when driving.
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It's not Calow.
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o.k. OC here goes....
Have just spent about 40 minutes on this and I'm 90% sure I've got the right one {bearing in mind most churches were of a similar design}
I adopted the "spot the difference" way like in the magazine picture quizzes only I used "spot the similarities" and came up with this,
Snowshill village church {in the Cotswolds}
If I'm right I'll have a pint thanks.......
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o.k. OC here goes....
Have just spent about 40 minutes on this and I'm 90% sure I've got the right one {bearing in mind most churches were of a similar design}
I adopted the "spot the difference" way like in the magazine picture quizzes only I used "spot the similarities" and came up with this,
Snowshill village church {in the Cotswolds}
If I'm right I'll have a pint thanks.......
Ohhh blimey the Cotswolds eh. That's interesting as the family originally came from Gloucester. Not sure how far that would be from the Cotswolds but great grandad did have a horse and cart as I have another old picture with him and my grandfather and siblings on - can't find where that is either :)
Thanks Sorastro
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Here's the pic OC
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I also think you're 100% bang on Sorastro ;) (y)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.0014271,-1.8607121,3a,63.6y,346.91h,82.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIZUj67LvPJEhOSJnFn8piQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
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Here's the pic OC
Yes thank you Fly.
It has been thought that it may have been taken outside what is now the Tupton Fish Bar. The building across is now a shop with no window but the angle is possible right?
So still a question mark as to where it is but a strong possibility?
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It certainly looks like the same one - only the wall is much closer to the Church in the photograph of my grandfather and there are some pretty old looking grave stone in the picture Fly has found between the wall and the Church??
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Trust me on this OC it's the right one all right.
Since the old photo and modern images of the church has been taken things have obviously changed
The group in the photo are sat were the gate is now, in the modern photo's the wall is obviously a "new" one, this means some of the grounds might have been extended possibly to the left of the gate. The lady on the far right has a tombstone on her right elbow that seems to match one of the two stones just to the right of the gate [inside] on the new photo also there is now a Cenotaph on the grounds as since the photo was taken we have had to endure two world wars.
The old wall "appears" to be closer but the churchyard slopes down to the church and I think this may have created an optical illusion on the photo.
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Trust me on this OC it's the right one all right.
Since the old photo and modern images of the church has been taken things have obviously changed
The group in the photo are sat were the gate is now, in the modern photo's the wall is obviously a "new" one, this means some of the grounds might have been extended possibly to the left of the gate. The lady on the far right has a tombstone on her right elbow that seems to match one of the two stones just to the right of the gate [inside] on the new photo also there is now a Cenotaph on the grounds as since the photo was taken we have had to endure two world wars.
The old wall "appears" to be closer but the churchyard slopes down to the church and I think this may have created an optical illusion on the photo.
Well I thank you very much Soretro and Fly for your input.
Much appreciated and yes - I owe you a Pint ! :)
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I told my aunt about the Church. She was so thrilled that it has been found he father was one of the young boys :)
Another thank you from Ellen :)
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Just a bit of t.v. trivia.......
We've been catching up on the t.v. series Unforgotten on I think the my5 channel and in one episode a "mother" is talking to her "son" sat at a beer table. I recognised the pub straight away it was the Snowshill arms with the churchyard opposite.
I know........
I REALLY REALLY do need to get out more!
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Just a bit of t.v. trivia.......
We've been catching up on the t.v. series Unforgotten on I think the my5 channel and in one episode a "mother" is talking to her "son" sat at a beer table. I recognised the pub straight away it was the Snowshill arms with the churchyard opposite.
I know........
I REALLY REALLY do need to get out more!
Was it the same Church yard????????
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Yes it is........on the old photo is part of a building in the background between the small child and the lady on the far right. This is the pub the Snowshill arms. Obviously on the modern google map at the same angle that background is now obscured by small trees.
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Just a bit of t.v. trivia.......
We've been catching up on the t.v. series Unforgotten on I think the my5 channel and in one episode a "mother" is talking to her "son" sat at a beer table. I recognised the pub straight away it was the Snowshill arms with the churchyard opposite.
I know........
I REALLY REALLY do need to get out more!
I did get out this time....we've just got back from a few days away near the Cotswolds and on checking my trusty road map we found ourselves only a stones throw away from Snowshill village so we popped there really nice little village, parked in the Snowshill pub car park {as seen in the background of the photo} and walked across the road to the church. Sadly the church was closed but a beautiful building, on the old photo I walked from the church door up a slope on the grounds to where your "family" are sat which is where one of the gates is now. I can make out that the tombstone on the ladies elbow is the far right of the two in the modern pictures, the other to it's left is obviously hidden by the child.
Then went into the pub for a quick drink, loads of photo's on the walls of the old village taken about the same time as your photo, didn't stay long {as I was driving} but wouldn't mind spending an evening in the pub.... really worth a visit.
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I did get out this time....we've just got back from a few days away near the Cotswolds and on checking my trusty road map we found ourselves only a stones throw away from Snowshill village so we popped there really nice little village, parked in the Snowshill pub car park {as seen in the background of the photo} and walked across the road to the church. Sadly the church was closed but a beautiful building, on the old photo I walked from the church door up a slope on the grounds to where your "family" are sat which is where one of the gates is now. I can make out that the tombstone on the ladies elbow is the far right of the two in the modern pictures, the other to it's left is obviously hidden by the child.
Then went into the pub for a quick drink, loads of photo's on the walls of the old village taken about the same time as your photo, didn't stay long {as I was driving} but wouldn't mind spending an evening in the pub.... really worth a visit.
Thanks for the information it sounds a lovely place maybe not spoiled by the years
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I did get out this time....we've just got back from a few days away near the Cotswolds and on checking my trusty road map we found ourselves only a stones throw away from Snowshill village so we popped there really nice little village, parked in the Snowshill pub car park {as seen in the background of the photo} and walked across the road to the church. Sadly the church was closed but a beautiful building, on the old photo I walked from the church door up a slope on the grounds to where your "family" are sat which is where one of the gates is now. I can make out that the tombstone on the ladies elbow is the far right of the two in the modern pictures, the other to it's left is obviously hidden by the child.
It would appear I made a mistake over these tombstones. I photographed these on my phone {when there} and forgotten I'd got them so when I finally transferred them onto my old computer and blew them up so I could read the names they can't be the ones on the original photo, as the dates on these are post W.W.1...JANUARY 29th 1929 and MAY 31st 193? respectively.
Therefore the grounds MUST have been extended.... so the gravestones in the original must be further inside the grounds.
We are going back down that neck of the woods in a couple of weeks time and if we get the opportunity to visit Snowshill again I will try to track down the original stones.
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It would appear I made a mistake over these tombstones. I photographed these on my phone {when there} and forgotten I'd got them so when I finally transferred them onto my old computer and blew them up so I could read the names they can't be the ones on the original photo, as the dates on these are post W.W.1...JANUARY 29th 1929 and MAY 31st 193? respectively.
Therefore the grounds MUST have been extended.... so the gravestones in the original must be further inside the grounds.
We are going back down that neck of the woods in a couple of weeks time and if we get the opportunity to visit Snowshill again I will try to track down the original stones.
Blimey thank you for this information, it's intriguing!
My grandfather was in WW1, like many others he signed up before he was of an age to do so, so yes you are right that the gravestone cannot be the one at the back of where they were sitting.
Thank you for the update Sorastro you are very kind :)
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Church of St Barnabas
A Grade II Listed Building in Snowshill, Gloucestershire
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Welcome to Chesterfieldonline Rheged
Nice pic of the church. Is it one you took?
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Church of St Barnabas
A Grade II Listed Building in Snowshill, Gloucestershire
Welcome to the forum and thank you for the lovely photograph ;)
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Just did a bit of digging Fly. (y)
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Thank you Old Cruser. Pleased that you enjoyed the modern day pic.
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As promised O.C. we were in the Cotswolds for a few days and paid a return visit to Snowshill.
I took a couple more photo's with my phone and have studied the angles etc concerning the church, your family and the pub and I think I can say with almost 100% certainty I think I've cracked it.
The grounds WERE extended, as the original photo does look like the family are closer to the church than the modern one this is because they were.
On the google map the Cenotaph was built in the extended grounds that sloped up from the church, this is why on the google map the road is higher than the original.
On google if you look at the large gravestone {that's leaning} to the left of the Cenotaph THIS is the stone that is on the lady's elbow in the original so therefore they were sat further down from where the gate is now and further into the grounds.
The gravestone in question has weathered badly so no writing is left on it.
I know it seems trivial but I had a bee in my bonnet about this and I wouldn't have rested till I got to the bottom of it...sad I know.
P.S. went in the church this time, just a plain church no stained glass windows no large altars etc just a plain country village church very pretty.
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Not sad at all I would say pretty amazing to be honest and thank you so much for the information which seems to seal the fact that the photograph was indeed taken in the place they lived.
They were the Westbury Family.
I have often wondered how they travelled to Tupton from their back then. probably on the horse and cart!
I have another old photograph of my great grandfather my grandfather and siblings sitting in a horse and cart.
For awhile I did ponder on thinking it was taken where the now Corner Stone Cafe is opposite where the school is but I now think it isn't there and may not be in the area.
Thanks for your information.
My aunt is coming to stay with us for the Queens Jubilee and will be interested to know where the photo of her grandmother and father was taken :)