Punished by the Bedroom Tax? Read this.

[Pete]

Have any of you read the story I posted - or is it just a springboard for you to spout off your inevitable, predictable, same old same old?

It's like having a discussion with a tape recorder.

[Old Cruser]

Shurrup Pete we are putting things to rights here    ---

well we would if we could agree   

[Fly]

If somebody on full housing benefit lives in a 1 bed flat, why should somebody else on full benefit get a 2 bed flat?

Because the council didn't have any 1 bed flats left.
You shouldn't be penalised for a change in circumstances.
If your single, and your child leaves home, you shouldn't get less benefit cos you have an empty room.
I actually thought you got a reduction of council tax for single occupancy.

This whole thing is just trash to me.
BTW, we have to pay full everything, so I shouldn't really care but I do.

Go Fly Go!!!

Don't set me off OC 
I'm trying to think of something beneficial the Tory's have ever done for me.

Yes I did Pete !!

[chesterfieldchris]

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[Fly]

Sorry, that's bollocks. IMHO 
Wealthy people will still have the price of a loaf of bread.
Poor people wont.

1% of a £100 is £1
1% of a £1 is as you know, is sweet fa

[chesterfieldchris]

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[Fly]

In the next bed is a bloke who hasn't worked a day in his life, seeing no change to his families situation while he gets the same care that is costing the other bloke his entire worldly goods.

I see your point and appreciate it. But I ain't the guy who decides this.
That's why we vote for a government isn't it ?
You are now arguing some of the Tory Gov's decisions.

I didn't vote them in.

[Old Cruser]

That never has been 'fair' CC. Sometimes I wonder if it is better to just piss it up the walls and have a ball cos you still get looked after, even if it is in a smelly care home.
 I thought they had stopped turfing people out though now? Or do they still do it?
Must admit I have lost touch with that over the years.

Mind you the poorer people would be very pleased of even a 24k savings account. Lets not forget not all benefit claimants like the lady Pete started this thread with are idle scroungers - her life has been taken out of her hands and that happens.

If a person on benefits say, is left money, they have the benefits stopped - fair enough that, but come on 6grand as savings is all they can keep, to replenish houshold ware and tear and what about their funeral?  Who will pay for that as that money they have had left them won't last that long.
 
It's laughable if it wasn't so serious.

I really feel for the genuine people in this country like that lady and there are many of them.

Lifes a bitch and then you die.

There for the Grace of God - as the saying goes.

[Fly]

 

[therealjr]

I read the article.
It's always going to be possible for the press to dig up someone like this, be it the Gurniad or the Mirror finding a lady like this or the Mail finding the extreme case where someone is on £100k a year benefits.

£23bn on Housing benefits is 3 times more than the government contributes to policing.

Incidently can we be clear what we are discussing here when we say someone will be losing money and what the actual situation is.
This is a person already on benefits in some form of social housing.
Their rent is let's say £50 per week payable to a local authority.
The government are saying if you are in a property that has a spare room we are only going to contribute £40.
So now the tenant has to find £10 out of their other benefits to make up the difference.
The tenant according to those who oppose the tax won't be able to pay this.
So they will run up rent arrears.
This means the local authority has less money.
So now your taxes are going up and your council tax is going up as well.
Eventually the arrears will get to the point where the council has to take a decision to evict.
Now the tenant is homeless.
And guess who has to pick the bill up for re-housing the homeless.
You can make this as emotive as you like but at the end of the day it comes down to more political point scoring by both sides.

[Fly]

So does she get re-housed and who foots the bill ?
Or are we all left to wonder what happened to the lady ?

Is she left living under a motorway bridge somewhere ?

[therealjr]

sorry Fly, is that aimed at me for my last or Pete for his OP?

[Fly]

No one personally. Just the thread in general.

[Slacker]

The system has been set up so the council rather than the government looks like the bad guy

[therealjr]

The system has been set up so the council rather than the government looks like the bad guy

And Why?
Because for  years political parties campaign at local election times not on local issues but those of the government or of other tiers. The Lib Dems in Chesterfield campaigned for years on the basis of what the Labour Government were doing. You yourselves campaigned on County Council issues like Highways and winter maintenance.
When you add that to the public's lack of perception of who does what (regularly demonstrated on this forum and in another place) is it any wonder that the blame culture has taken over from actually formulating well thought out policies that will have a positive impact on the lives of people?