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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Old Cruser on February 19, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
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Anyone know who built the houses and when on the Hady Estate?
Having only ever used the road at the side as a means to get from Calow to Hasland it's the first time I have been round the estate after dropping a friend off at her home.
The houses are 'quaint' - different from what I have seen around Derbyshire.
Just intrigued by the history of them.
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I have at the back of my mind that it was a Coal Board Estate but I have no idea who or when it was built.
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I have at the back of my mind that it was a Coal Board Estate but I have no idea who or when it was built.
Interesting Umpire, it's nothing like the Coal Board houses in our village which were concrete blocks. They've been titivated up in the last few years though.
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I presume you mean the houses with the windows in the roofs OC :)
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Yes fly and the roof is a different shape - I think they are lovely.
Someone has said they thought they were Dutch?
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Not dissimilar, a ex customer of ours used to live in this house up Brookside(Brampton) (y)
When she moved it went for £495,000. Bet it's worth even more now :o
Edit: Forgot the link LOL :P
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2315517,-1.4743661,3a,30y,336.71h,94.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7KG71x7XPuNuGeT3pqxkaw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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Yes it is similar but doesn't take me eye as the Hady ones do - very unusual buildings
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These ones ?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2323434,-1.4021641,3a,37.5y,97.76h,83.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDs_ts-mTUsUEFW4S2O9Qxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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Yes Fly.
I have an elderly relative who lived there for many years but I never visited their home. Now in hospital but I will ask him when he comes home and see if he can tell me more.
They don't live there anymore.
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Back many years ago when I worked for the Halifax Building Society (as it was known then) these properties had a sort of concrete slab type construction below roof level and there were great concerns that the metal ties between the inner wall and concrete slabs had severely rusted - thus the outer walls could literally fall off! Therefore the outer walls were replaced by bricks & mortar which is how you see them today. I assume the local authorities did this - there were some houses too in Calow of a similar build.
There was a point where you could not get a mortgage on one of those properties I seem to remember because of the potential flaws.
My Brother recently had one and has now moved elsewhere - they seemed nice houses :)
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Prefabricated reinforced concrete (PRC) houses fall within the more general category of non-traditional housing. This means anything that is not a conventional brick or timber frame structure and includes steel frame, cast in situ concrete and PRC construction. Steel frame and cast in situ concrete are not too problematical. There are issues with them and a buyer would be well advised to have a specialist building survey when buying one. PRC houses are more tricky because many lenders will not grant mortgages on them. This is why they tend to be a lot cheaper.
So what are they? After the war there was a shortage of building materials and a massive demand for low-cost housing to replace the urban dwellings that had been destroyed. Although the idea for building this type of housing had been around for many years it wasn't until the 1950s and 60s that it really got going. There were many different types of PRC houses and they were usually named after the companies that built them. Examples of this are Unity, Cornish Unit and Airey.
After 1979 when Mrs Thatcher's Conservative government came to power council houses started to be sold off. Initially people were keen to buy the non-traditional houses as well as the brick built ones but once they were in the private sector and no longer the responsibility of the local housing authority some of the problems started to become apparent. After a project conducted by the building research establishment, legislation was passed called the Housing Defects Act 1984. This was subsequently incorporated into the 1985 Housing Act. Essentially this condemned many of the PRC designs as fundamentally defective. Most of the problems related to corrosion of the reinforcement and deterioration of the concrete. After that lenders would not advance money on them unless they were the subject of an approved repair scheme.
PRC Homes Ltd was set up as a subdivision of the NHBC (National House Builders Council) in conjunction with the CML (Council of Mortgage Lenders) and this company undertook repairs under the supervision of a structural engineer which basically involved removing the external walls and replacing them with traditional cavity walls. The inner parts of the structure and the roof remained intact and so the building had to be supported during the process. There were examples of local authority repairs that were not licensed under the scheme and lenders would not advance money on those. The scheme was wound up during the 1990's and no longer exists.
A house that has been the subject of a PRC repair with a certificate is generally acceptable as mortgage lending security but if it is in its original state it is unlikely that you will be up to get a mortgage. There are specialist companies that will lend on them but as in all areas of finance you would be well advised to tread very carefully and to seek independent financial advice before getting involved with companies of this nature.
As this is Hady your referring to, I'm guessing Chesterfield Borough Council.
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Chuffin ell scimitar that's a post and a half but very informative thanks.
It sounds as if Umpire was maybe correct then that they may have been Coal Board houses as the ones in our village were concrete and needed the work doing as described in your post.
Just to add a large housing estate in Matlock had similar work undertaken and council houses on the Adlington's Estate Wingerworth the council also had a lot of work done of I think maybe similar nature.
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Amazing what copy and paste can do :P (y)
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Noticed this one today. Birkinstyle Lane, Stonebroom.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.127396,-1.4064173,3a,75y,147.91h,85.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6k6ui-NfFyy6bpUWuK7KpA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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Amazing what copy and paste can do :P (y)
I was looking for info last night and didn't really find much so you did better than I did.
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Noticed this one today. Birkinstyle Lane, Stonebroom.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.127396,-1.4064173,3a,75y,147.91h,85.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6k6ui-NfFyy6bpUWuK7KpA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
There are obviously more around than I realised Fly
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OC
Many of the concrete block houses you refer to were manufactured by a company called Reema who had a large factory on Storforth Lane opposite where the Bowling Alley is.
I went to work there in 1960 and we had many multi million pound contracts to build housing estates ,tower blocks and village halls in Sheffield,Crewe and Leeds to name a few.The blocks were delivered to site by lorries carrying a dozen blocks at once and by the next day the carcass of the house was already assembled.
It was in the days when old slum houses were being demolished and there was a desperate need for houses and flats.I only stayed there two years but eventually that type of dwelling went out of favour and the company folded.
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The bottom half of our street was all 'pre-fabs'. They've all been replaced with new bungalows and houses now.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.234365,-1.2909665,3a,75y,7.33h,74.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKQEAcy3BBDltrkewerfQLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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They look a lot like the ones at Manor Road at Ashgate,some on Grangewood and some near the Whitecotes pub which I think were built soon after the war.I noticed one on Grangewood has been built round it with bricks.Whether they have then removed the concrete slabs I wouldn't know.Those you have shown look quite nice.
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If memory serves me right, the bungalow in this view
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.234365,-1.2909665,3a,75y,122.19h,76.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKQEAcy3BBDltrkewerfQLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
was built on the site of a prefab that suffered from an internal fire which caused a build up of gas or heat and exploded.
This view
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2345555,-1.2898038,3a,75y,315.27h,70.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so77mhlgi8-MKe-YTJ7pMeg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
is on the next 'parallel' road. The end two prefabs had been rebricked and escaped demolition.
Here's the modern 3d overhead view of the entire area.
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s362/chesterfieldonline/build_zpszdiphpxi.jpg) (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/chesterfieldonline/media/build_zpszdiphpxi.jpg.html)
Yellow are original build two bedroom houses.
Light blue were the prefabs, how houses and bungalows.
Red is the 2 surviving bricked prefabs.
Dark blue is the bungalow on plot of the fire damaged prefab.
Sorry OC, no dorma or swiss cottage looking places :(
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These ones ?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2323434,-1.4021641,3a,37.5y,97.76h,83.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDs_ts-mTUsUEFW4S2O9Qxw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Non of the ones are like these though.
If you take the map down the road and to the bend there is a house there which is slightly different to the rest, having white painted wood to the lower half - I like it. Very different
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OC
Many of the concrete block houses you refer to were manufactured by a company called Reema who had a large factory on Storforth Lane opposite where the Bowling Alley is.
I went to work there in 1960 and we had many multi million pound contracts to build housing estates ,tower blocks and village halls in Sheffield,Crewe and Leeds to name a few.The blocks were delivered to site by lorries carrying a dozen blocks at once and by the next day the carcass of the house was already assembled.
It was in the days when old slum houses were being demolished and there was a desperate need for houses and flats.I only stayed there two years but eventually that type of dwelling went out of favour and the company folded.
I've had another look at the ones in our village Umpire.
Ex Coal Board House which they have only in the last maybe 3 years or so done up, putting new roofs on and what looks like a pebble dashing to cover the concrete.
They have probably done more to the houses than that but this is the finished product.
The houses in Hady are very different with a brick bottom half and the top half 'appears to come out on a slant with windows. The roof is then set back from this.
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They are the original houses. Probably private owned. I think all the council ones have been re-bricked.
White concrete bottom. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2317253,-1.4012205,3a,75y,263.01h,73.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvmWllNjSXOo6gaKzSp8Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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Strange how the top half seems to come out over the bottom half - and the guttering is right over the bottom windows??
How does that work when it rains?
I can't see guttering below the roof.
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They do have guttering ;)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2317253,-1.4012205,3a,15y,263.84h,90.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvmWllNjSXOo6gaKzSp8Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
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They do have guttering ;)
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2317253,-1.4012205,3a,15y,263.84h,90.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvmWllNjSXOo6gaKzSp8Zw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Sorry I didn't word that very well fly.
There appears to no guttering directly below the roof - it's much lower just above the windows - how does that work for rain coming off the roof?
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You mean the upper part of the roof don't you. I suppose the rain just runs down the upper tiles straight down onto the lower ones, then into the gutter.
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That's a lot of roof with water going down there, obviously the guttering must cope though.
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I have been talking to a chap I know today who lived on Houldsworth Drive on that estate in the late 1980/1990's .He told me they were definitely Coal Board houses which were condemned along with others throughout the country in 1986 by an Act of Parliament.
Grants were made available to update them which included removing the concrete panels which they were built with.
The roofs were suspended by heavy pit props and first breeze blocks and then bricks were built up to the roof level.Once that was done the concrete panels were then removed.
Does that make sense?
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I have been talking to a chap I know today who lived on Houldsworth Drive on that estate in the late 1980/1990's .He told me they were definitely Coal Board houses which were condemned along with others throughout the country in 1986 by an Act of Parliament.
Grants were made available to update them which included removing the concrete panels which they were built with.
The roofs were suspended by heavy pit props and first breeze blocks and then bricks were built up to the roof level.Once that was done the concrete panels were then removed.
Does that make sense?
It does Umpire thanks for that.
Obviously very precise work and I'm supposing it was cheaper then flattening them and rebuilding, although it wouldn't have been cheap would it.
Certainly some of the houses on the Hurst Farm Estate in Matlock had massive re structural work done to them but they do look good now.
They haven't got the same outer finish though as Hady Estate houses, so I'm thinking maybe it was decided to finish them off in a more 'unique' way to others?
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Hady was built around 1953 onwards. My parents, now both passed, moved into their home on Lee Road in 1954 around 6 months after my birth. The houses were owned by the Coal Board until the Board sought to sell them on prior to dissolution of the NCB. I think my parents bought their house in the late seventies since their home would have transferred to a new landlord. They did get the house at a reasonable discount.
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I suppose if the house hadn't been updated by the time your parents bought it the price would indeed have been reasonable redadmiral.
Have you any idea who actually redesigned the outer shell - or were they built like that?
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Sorry OC but I flew the nest mid seventies. I don't think anyone had a brick outer skin built then because the NCB hadn't disposed of the housing stock by then. I do remember seeing brick skins appear when visiting. The only name I remember my parents using was referring to the blocks of 3 which they called Wimpeys. I assume they were built by Wimpey. They never referred to the blocks of 4 as Wimpeys.