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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: hifimad on October 20, 2022, 02:16:58 PM
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Liz Truss resignation was inevitable the pity is she was allowed to inflict imense damage on the economy before her political demise and already there is talk that benefit recipients and the poor in general are being lined up to pay for it, this after twelve years of austerity where benefits were slashed by thousands of pounds in real terms and the NHS and other sevices people rely on were starved of investment, the kindest thing that could be said about twelve years of Tory misrule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIo42ws57s
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Good (y)
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There's even rumblings in the ranks of "Come back Boris...all is forgiven"
These past few days was like watching a slow motion train crash.
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i find the idea of the return of Boris to be a massive backwards step, if this happens the 2.5% of credibility the Tory has left will be wiped out completely.
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Again only in politics can a senior member of the party literally be sacked and then re apply for the same job a couple of months later.
I know of no other "industry" that does that, nor would I expect anyone who has been sacked from a firm have the audacity to re apply for a job that they were not deemed fit to do a few weeks ago.
My prediction is he won't re apply, but if he does:-
A - He's got some nerve... and B - the Tory parties ratings will slump even lower {if that's possible}.
They must be in self destruct mode if the only Tory champion is a former disgraced P.M.
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I'm wondering if Harriet Harman's investigation will continue if Boris applies. If he becomes PM and is then found guilty of misleading Parliament, he'll be banned from the Commons and there will have to be yet another leadership contest!
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So... Less than an hour to go before voting closes, lets see the runners and riders:-
Boris Johnson...ruled himself out of the contest, even HE saw the stupidity in it.
Penny Mordaunt...needs at least 100 M.P.'s to back her so far she has about 27, not looking good.
Rishi Sunak...got well over the 100 needed, but don't forget he LOST to Liz Truss, hardly a resounding endorsement.
The one I thought was going to throw his hat in the ring was Jeremy Hunt, but he's probably decided that he's better off where he is and hoping the new P.M. will keep him in post. So if Sunak gets it that means the country will have a chancellor and an ex chancellor to sort the mess out and if the the pair of them can't come up with a half decent proposal then it's curtains for the Tories.
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Rishi Sunak is this weeks P.M. and already he has received the black spot:-
Tweet to Sunak from Liz Truss......"You have my full support".......the poor sod!
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Anyone know why on earth the ITV news presenter had to be based outside No10 Downing Street this evening, whilst the main studios would've been empty.
Maybe the powers that be thought that we minions wouldn't understand without actually seeing the place?
How much money has been frittered away on just this one episode, paying for transportation, extra staff etc etc?
Sometimes I just can't get my breath (and I'm not talking about my asthma problems!) 🤬
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I've noticed, about the comings and goings in government. When someone gets the "sack" on the front benches they disappear.
Since his push Boris has only been seen in the Commons once and that was for a vote. Same with Matt {tie me kangaroo down} Hancock, no sightings at all since you know what, Rishie was another one when he resigned a few weeks ago he disappeared into the ether and who can forget {but we'll try} "cheesy" Truss now a.w.o.l.
Although no longer on the front benches these are standing M.P.'s and have constituents who expect them to "turn up".
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The news it seems is not very welcoming but sometimes the news can be uncanny.....
The national debt is rampant,
There's War in Europe,
On the fifth Prime Minister in just a few short years,
The latest Prime minister is young at 42 but is not expected to keep the post long.
Nothing new in the above you would agree,
so would it surprise you to know {as it did me} that the above was also the countries news in 1812!!!!!
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Rishi Sunak has gone to COP27, He's only been there a less than a day and already has proised millions of pounds to help with climate change, very laudable I'm sure but no comfort for those here struggling to pay bills.
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The news clip I heard said he was blaming the rising cost of the UK's energy was because of climate change.
Did he really say that, or was the clip I heard 'distorted a bit'.
I thought Russia had caused the rise in costs of UK energy?
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Looks as if old rhyming slang has scored an own goal.
Seems he insisted on an enquiry, obviously to exonerate himself, concerning the bullying allegations but it's snowballing and biting him on the bum as more allegations see the light of day.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke, I hope {when they eventually sack him} he ends up going to a food bank to feed his family.
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And now, there is a movement to stop Truss appointing her cronies to the House of Lords...hope it succeeds...
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I watched Question time on the box last night and Jacob Rees Mogg {Minister for flintlock pistols and Witch burning} was on the panel.
Someone mentioned that basically we were better off when we were in the E.U. and RM replied along the lines of the E.U is corrupt and mentioned suitcases full of Euros being handed round in the E.U. parliament and would we like to go back to being governed by such a corrupt set of officials......eh! has he forgotten Westminster's brown envelopes and P.P.E. contracts?
The answer is no, if anybody is going to be corrupt and rip off the British public only be a British government are in the position to do it, and what a splendid job they are doing.
Having said all that........
Touching on nurses pay, the basic pay is {I am given to understand and will gladly stand corrected if wrong} for a new nurse is round about the £27,000 p/y mark increasing to about £38,000 p/y after 5 years, I'm excluding London, because everybody gets a different pay scale who work in London. Speaking from my own personal experience when working I could only dream of earning £27 grand a year. Admittedly I wasn't in the medical profession but I worked full time, and damned hard, and my wife worked part time and our combined wages at years end {before tax} would have trouble reaching the £20,000 mark so I can't help but think, especially if these married nurses have partners that work too, when I hear of nursing staff having to use food banks because they can't afford food etc I do suck air through my teeth a little.
Don't get me wrong I'm on their side 110% but if my pension was anywhere near £27,000 per year I'd be living in a villa in the Canaries.
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Apparently one of the replies by Rishi Sunak in P.M.Q's in answer to a question by Keir Starmer was as follows:-
"The same old Labour ideas, more debt, more inflation, more strikes and more migration". so.......take a look at some figures.
It is alleged:-
2009/10 {Labour} 2020/22 {Tories}
National debt £890 billion £2.4 trillion
Inflation 3.4% 11.1%
Days lost through strikes 456,000 {all of 2009} 561,000 {in just two months}
Net migration 242,000 {all of 2009} 504,000 {up to June 22}
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I miss Cchris. :'(
He would have explained why the figures you show were actually better for the country.
And tell us we are simpletons for not seeing how it benefits us.
:)) :D 8) ;D :)) :D 8) :P :P
Wonder if he still browses the forum?
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I miss Cchris. :'(
He would have explained why the figures you show were actually better for the country.
And tell us we are simpletons for not seeing how it benefits us.
:)) :D 8) ;D :)) :D 8) :P :P
Wonder if he still browses the forum?
Looking back on some of the old posts I wonder where him {and others} are. A where are they now scenario, I imagine a good few of them browse from time to time.
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I miss Cchris. :'(
He would have explained why the figures you show were actually better for the country.
And tell us we are simpletons for not seeing how it benefits us.
:)) :D 8) ;D :)) :D 8) :P :P
Wonder if he still browses the forum?
Ohhh yessss I had forgotten about him. I did see Pete in town awhile ago
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Touching on nurses pay, the basic pay is {I am given to understand and will gladly stand corrected if wrong} for a new nurse is round about the £27,000 p/y mark increasing to about £38,000 p/y after 5 years, I'm excluding London, because everybody gets a different pay scale who work in London. Speaking from my own personal experience when working I could only dream of earning £27 grand a year. Admittedly I wasn't in the medical profession but I worked full time, and damned hard, and my wife worked part time and our combined wages at years end {before tax} would have trouble reaching the £20,000 mark so I can't help but think, especially if these married nurses have partners that work too, when I hear of nursing staff having to use food banks because they can't afford food etc I do suck air through my teeth a little.
Don't get me wrong I'm on their side 110% but if my pension was anywhere near £27,000 per year I'd be living in a villa in the Canaries.
Standing by what he said the other day a Tory M.P. said about how he cannot understand how a firefighter on £32,000 a year needs to use a food bank. He basically said that, if true, they should quote..."Learn to budget better" and I'm afraid I basically agree with him. As I say I don't know the ins and outs of this other than the above but as I put in my previous post about the nurses it sounds to me like a lot of these "high earners", because to me that's what they are, are obviously either in a lot of debt to begin with or are just living beyond their means simply because they can't or won't budget. Yes I know it's not cheap to live nowadays, I'm not saying it is, but you can very soon lose sight of your finances and end up in trouble, but as with the nurses pay grades £32 grand p/yr is not chicken feed.
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When I was working I was promoted to manager, the first thing another manager said to me "you'll be moving house now then?"
I replied that I am still the same person with the same number of people in my family, if the house was good enough for me before, why should I need to move?
This to me was a blatant example of people living beyond their means and/or, keeping up with the Jones's (coincidentally my wifes'maiden name, so I've been doing that for the past 45 years)!
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Speaking of working you have to ask the question........
End of 2022 there were 1,200,000 people unemployed
End of 2022 there were 1,187,000 job vacancies.
Now I realise the vast majority of these could well be professional positions and not something the man in the street can just walk into,
but there are a lot of these that aren't... and they CAN walk into.
O.K. it may not be the job they are after, it may not be a job they particularly like and the wages are not brilliant BUT IT'S A START!!
That was me a few years ago I had been with one company for well over 30 years and I left because it was no longer the company I joined in the seventies and it very soon became not a nice place to work in. So I reluctantly went and got another job, not a job I wanted, and I didn't really like, but I did it all the same and stuck with it till until I retired.
It seems that anyone who DOES get a job nowadays wants footballers wages and a thirty hour week, it's not going to happen.
I'm all for anyone getting the job they want with the wages they want.....but life isn't like that,
like anything sometimes you have to start at the bottom.
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Standing by what he said the other day a Tory M.P. said about how he cannot understand how a firefighter on £32,000 a year needs to use a food bank. He basically said that, if true, they should quote..."Learn to budget better" and I'm afraid I basically agree with him. As I say I don't know the ins and outs of this other than the above but as I put in my previous post about the nurses it sounds to me like a lot of these "high earners", because to me that's what they are, are obviously either in a lot of debt to begin with or are just living beyond their means simply because they can't or won't budget. Yes I know it's not cheap to live nowadays, I'm not saying it is, but you can very soon lose sight of your finances and end up in trouble, but as with the nurses pay grades £32 grand p/yr is not chicken feed.
Another eye opener I heard the other day {spoken by an M.P. so many pinches of salt needed}
{it is alleged}
According to what was said the train drivers who are striking for a pay rise are earning 60 grand a year already and they've turned down a 5 grand a year pay rise. Even after tax, and before a pay rise, they must be on a grand a week easily.
I would gladly come out of retirement for HALF that salary........
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I worked at 15 and in my 70's still work ::)