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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Slacker on June 13, 2012, 09:29:00 PM
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Details are now available and having been to a presentation it looks pretty good.
Food supermarket (essential to finance development), hotel, cinema, cafes, semi-outdoor seating (protective canopy over parts) and recreation area and 80 houses.
A few negative coments in DT via their Facebook site.
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Details are now available and having been to a presentation it looks pretty good.
Food supermarket (essential to finance development),
Will kill the Co-op and unless there is a lot of parking being created somewhere how will you use it?
hotel,
Do we have enough visitors to warrant the hotels we already have?
cinema,
Again do we have enough cinema goers to support two cinemas?
cafes,
Egg and chips?
semi-outdoor seating (protective canopy over parts)
for the idiots to congregate in and vandalise presumably
recreation area
That description covers a multitude of sins
80 houses.
Nice place to live!!!
A few negative coments in DT via their Facebook site.
Think you might get a few on here as well !!
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700-800 parking spaces
Several cinema companies interested so they must anticipate demand, presume similar with hotel
From what I've seen of the modenised part of Sheff and the Centertainment area they don't seem to get vandalised as much as the run down areas.
Houses close to town such as Donkins area seem ok, don't see any less demand than for Saltergate ones
Looks good an artist impression anyway
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Ironic that Labour will kill the Co-operative...
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Not ironic at all merely indicative of how far Labour have moved to the right, away from their traditional roots.
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Only as small part of the co-op is the food side. Rather than killing co-op it should draw people up to that end of town being on the route from the new development to the pavements.
Don't people want improvements to the town (that multi storey is long past its sell-by date)? Would people prefer CFC to be still at Saltergate than theProact (or whatever its new name will be) ?
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So nothing new and original, not much thought put into it.
Just because other cinema groups are interested, doesn't mean there is enough demand, they will want to open with the intention of closing down the other one, so not good for Chesterfield. I don't think there is enough demand for 2 cinemas, Crystal Peaks couldn't generate enough demand for 1 when they had one.
And do we really need another supermarket. What about a specialist food court to compliment the market, with a permenant farmers market, etc.
And the parking spaces need to be free or cheap or they will be a waste of time. Somehow, I doubt they will be.
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Only as small part of the co-op is the food side. Rather than killing co-op it should draw people up to that end of town being on the route from the new development to the pavements.
It will draw people who only have a finite amount of money to spend. That being the case it will kill the Pavements and Vicar Lane in the same way that when it was first opened the Pavements killed off Cavendish Street/ Stephensons Place.
Don't people want improvements to the town (that multi storey is long past its sell-by date)? Would people prefer CFC to be still at Saltergate than theProact (or whatever its new name will be) ?
As usual from you a totally bogus analogy. If Tesco were going to close their Whittington Moor branch and move to the town centre then yes you would be right. But what you are suggesting is another team setting up at the B2Net and Chesterfield FC having to survive at Saltergate in the face of that competition.
The truth of the matter is in the DT article. The scheme needs a major player committing to it in order to go ahead. There is only one major player who can and that is Asda. The council don't care what effect that has on the rest of the town just as long as they get their shiny new development that they can all be photographed in when it opens in 2015.
Hang on 2015? That wouldn't be an election year would it?
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An improved town centre can attract a larger catchment area.
If there wasn't a demand for an extra cinema ther wouldn't be companies wanting to open one, they dont go into this blind.
Hopefully the supermarket will be an Asda or Waitrose (though I do not have inside info on this so it will only be coincidence if it is)
I would encourage people to visit the exhibitions, the artists' impressions looked good
Nobody sees this as an election issue, major developments don't happen overnight. Councillor of the 3 political persuasions, though with different ideas, want the best for the town
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The Supermarket WILL be Asda, the client base doesn't exist in Chesterfield to support a Waitrose nor do they buid stores of this size.
Average Waitrose size is 18000 sq ft.
T**** is 120,000!!!
We are now 60k.
There's an Asda at Sutton and Handsworth, there's no large catchment waiting to be brought into the Town. All it will do is dilute the trade between the current players. It will further kill off the small traders.
It's typical Chesterfield, don't build anything new just add more of the same.
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Actually, the food part of the Co-op is one of their more profitable areas.
But more to the point re Chesterfield Co-op is the opening of Debenhams... :(
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Looks like a great scheme.
Can only see three problems:
1. Which retailers will fill the space? I have it on good authority Asda have withdrawn and Debenhams have gone elsewhere = no anchors = no development?
2. The road system looks inadquate to cope with this already congested area?
3. What will happen to car parking during the construction phase - if we lose the donut, multi-storey and all day parks it could kill the town centre (is car parking Chesterfield's biggest problem?)?
Be interesting to see who comes forward - hope they do or the NG will spend another 15 years in the planning.
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whereabouts is this likely to be?
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An improved town centre can attract a larger catchment area.
If there wasn't a demand for an extra cinema ther wouldn't be companies wanting to open one, they dont go into this blind.
Hopefully the supermarket will be an Asda or Waitrose (though I do not have inside info on this so it will only be coincidence if it is)
I would encourage people to visit the exhibitions, the artists' impressions looked good
Nobody sees this as an election issue, major developments don't happen overnight. Councillor of the 3 political persuasions, though with different ideas, want the best for the town
Its typical Labour thinking....new shiny building projects which they think makes everything look good, when all they are doing is creating a gloss to cover up the fact that it will force businesses to close.
Just like they spent millions on new school buildings but educational standards decrease.
Having 2 cinemas doesn't mean twice as many people will go to the cinema, it will just put the existing one under financial pressure.
Just because someone objects to "more of the same" it doesn't mean they oppose development, what people want is something else thats adds to, or compliments what we have already, not something that just creates lots of good spin for politicians.
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I for one don't think there is room for two cinema's in Chesterfield, we go to cineworld and it's rarely the we have been in a full seated screen (I can remeber twice over the years). I wonder if the existing cinema might move?? It's a nightmare there at times purley because of the design of the road with McDonalds drive through creating a back log of traffic at times.
As someone else has said --- where is the parking space to be? It's quite a built up area, are they to knock buildings down around it?
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So the main entrance will be via Newbold Rd, or the road that disapears off left of top picture.
Which just happen's to look like the estate where the houses are going to be built.
Where does traffic coming down Saltergate go. Through Saltergate health clinic via that new rd, turn left before the new development, and then onto Newbold Rd, via the housing estate ???????
How does traffic from top pic, bottom right, get onto Sheff Rd ?
Up Saltergate, turn right through the health centre bla bla
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Where does traffic coming down Saltergate go.
How does traffic from top pic, bottom right, get onto Sheff Rd ?
I see Holywell St on the new plan as two-way. Saltergate traffic will go to the end of Saltergate - by the Blue Bell - before turning right or left onto Holywell St. Traffic coming up Holywell St will keep the new development on their left as they pass the Saltergate and Brewery St junctions on their way to Sheffield Road. I might be wrong...
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@ Stuart - i think confusion comes to mind from me ??? think i'll bus it into town once that's up and running ??? cos if anyone can get lost or take a wrong turning it's me!!
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Looks like a great scheme.
Can only see three problems:
1. Which retailers will fill the space? I have it on good authority Asda have withdrawn and Debenhams have gone elsewhere = no anchors = no development?
2. The road system looks inadquate to cope with this already congested area?
3. What will happen to car parking during the construction phase - if we lose the donut, multi-storey and all day parks it could kill the town centre (is car parking Chesterfield's biggest problem?)?
Be interesting to see who comes forward - hope they do or the NG will spend another 15 years in the planning.
Salter I agree the road system doesn't look adaquate does it, small squashy roads.
ps welcome to the forum :)
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As someone else has said --- where is the parking space to be? It's quite a built up area, are they to knock buildings down around it?
If you look at the artists impressions it appears some of the parking will be under the supermarket a la T****.
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Best use of space
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The original scan of the plan states:
Undercroft Parking Access.
Unless everything is built in stilt's, parking will be underground.
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Best use of space
Not if its linked to the supermarket, who no doubt, will want restrictions so that it can only be used by their customers, or time limited, hardly a public car-park.
Nor is it a good use of energy with all those lights on for 24 hours a day, every day. The space would be better used by having the parking on top of the supermarket, you can also make more storeys that way, and there for more spaces.......bugger, common sense sticking its oar in again.
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If you include the Brittannia private site there are over 800 car parking spaces.
Somehow on more or less the same site (plus the Allen and Orr wood yard and Jackson Shipley)
They are going to build major foodstore, retail outlets and restaurants, a cinema, 80 bed hotel, 85 homes, offices plus an outdoor performance area.
And still have the same number of car parking spaces?
Bearing in mind that 500 odd of those spaces are in a multi storey?
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Nice place to live!!!
Oy Roberts, my missus's family used to live on the Donut
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Parking = 750 spaces (same as current) all below the development - if you shop at the supermarket you will get limited free parking - otherwise you pay (as current).
Where does the £50m come from (don't say the 40,000 square foot supermarket!), can we really afford it and do we really need it?
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Parking = 750 spaces (same as current)
Holywell Cross 255
Saltergate MSCP 529
Brittannia 118
total 902
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JR - I'm glad somebody's on the ball!