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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: simondjuk on July 24, 2012, 08:21:23 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18964640 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18964640)
This coming from a group of people who's colleagues claimed expenses they werent entiltled to claim.
Talk about pot calling kettle. Do they think we have forgotten about all that?
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http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shaming-the-morally-repugnant-david-gauke/ (http://order-order.com/2012/07/23/naming-and-shaming-the-morally-repugnant-david-gauke/)
I'd have to have a lot of plumbing done to save £10k
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Not sure about your argument there Chris - I suppose it's a question of degree and what you consider the dosh is to be considered rich.
I don't see the crime of paying cash for a few hundred pounds the same as it is for a billion pounds.
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Then we agree to disagree.
To me it's like saying, in some middle eastern state where the penalty for theft is having a hand chopped off, that a kid who nicks an apple is treated the same as a robber who steals a million quid.
This is where the expression "common sense" should come in to play - but it's the rich that makes the rules.
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There are underlying issues here that you don't seem to touch on. For instance, I've worked all my life and must have paid hundreds of thousands in tax. Whereas some extremely well off guy, who can afford a top accountant, can legally get away without paying hardly any tax at all. Ergo, the wealthier you are, the less tax you pay.
I suppose the world splits into two camps, those that agree with Robin Hood and those who think he is just another criminal.
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Also, if I adopted the attitude of what is legal and what is not, then if I have two grands worth of new CH boiler fitted and the plumber says £1,700 for cash, is it my responsibility to police the situation and ask if he is doing it to fiddle his income tax?
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Where did I say "the rich dont pay anything"?
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>> Whichever way it is sliced "the more you earn the less tax you pay" is simply not true.
I think we are different in the way we express ourselves. You argue your point with the soul of a calculator - I argue mine from a person who cares that pensioners might not be able to make it through a winter whilst others secrete millions in offshore tax havens.
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Personally I'd scrap any tax that you can avoid paying.
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Taxi driver, cash in hand, morally wrong ::)
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>> My honest view is that all income should be taxed at exactly the same percentage.
Totally disagree with that statement, no disrespect, but it shows a level of naivety to which I can't be arsed to respond.
Greed - it's called greed - and it's what is wrong with the world today. IMHO
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We've had this one before haven't we. My uptake was, I think . .
If you want a better paid job, prepare to pay more tax, you still have more income to hand.
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>> Tax every penny at exactly the same percentage, regardless of how much you earn and then you couldnt have a fairer system. Earn £10, and pay £3. Earn £1m and pay £300k. Or whatever the percentage is.
That would be ok if we all paid x% of out wages for food, fuel etc
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Disagree Slack. % doesn't work like that.
A litre at £133.9 is the same for everybody.still have more income to hand
Better job, more money, if they can't afford the fuel to do the job on the wages offered. Dont take the job.
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I like the bit at the end - dead right.
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The reason I disagree with equal percent tax for everyone:
We all need money to pay for basics (food, heat etc)
Supposing the basics for a family costs £5K a year and the rest is for non-essentials
A family earning £10k a year and taxed at 30% has £2k left for non-essentials
A family earning £20k a year and taxed at 30% has ££9k left for non-essentials
Therefore with equal tax someone with twice the salary has 4.5 times as much spending money
(these are not accurate figures just an illustrative example)
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And back on topic, it just shows how out of touch with the real world our politicians are. As a sole trader, dealing with members of the public, I often get paid in 1 of 2 ways. Cash or cheques. The banks want to do away with chqs, and the Govt want to do away with cash.....so we will all be forced to carry around some sort of portable chip and pin device, which the banks will of course charge a fortune for.....
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Actually, although just illustrative, your calculations above do not account for the fact that you can earn £8,100 before starting to pay tax. Which is a big chunk of the £10k earners pay So the £10k earner will only pay tax on £1,900 (£570)
The £20k earner will pay tax on £11,900 (£3,570 or just over six times the tax that the £10k earner pays).
As both have their £5k of essentials covered by the tax free allowance - where is the problem? The more you earn, the more you take home, and everyone from minimum wage to millionaires pays exactly the same percentage.
In actual fact, given your two examples above, thats the exact system we have now as the 20% tax bracket doesn't change to 40% until you have earnt £34,000 of taxable income (salary is over £42k)
I was basing it on your suggestion of no personal allowance
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