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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Pete on August 28, 2012, 04:10:31 PM
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George Osborne is now Government's most disliked MP as half of voters say they want to see Chancellor sacked
"Mr Osborne has taken over from beleaguered Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg at the bottom of a damning popularity league that ranks how much the public like the cabinet.
The Deputy Prime Minister has a rating of minus 26 compared to his Treasury colleague's minus 32, the Guardian/ICM study found."
Should have listened to me - I've been saying that for nearly two years...
http://bit.ly/SLjxlQ (http://bit.ly/SLjxlQ)
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Yep, but some of us base our judgements on policies rather than the fact that he went to a posh school and had a posh up-bringing.
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I don't understand. I've read the article again and I can't find any reference to a "posh school and had a posh up-bringing".
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Osborne was elected a Tory and is behaving like one, Clegg has gone more against what his supporters voted for
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"ICM Research interviewed a random sample of 1006 adults aged 18+ by telephone on 24-26th August 2012. Interviews were conducted across the country and the results have been weighted to the profile of all adults. ICM is a member of the British Polling Council and abides by its rules."
Do you think the majority of those contacted were "fully subscribed member of the guardian fan club, on a final salary scheme, screwing the benefits system, paying for my entire worldly goods on the tick and of the opinion that everyone else can pay for it, especially the bankers,"?
There was a similar poll recently of either Conservative Party Members or MPs, not sure which, who were split 50/50 on him. I'll try and find it out.
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I'll take the, "I'm alright Jack", approach on this one. I know sod all about George or his background.
What I don't have is loads of loans I'm struggling to pay.
We love 'buy now pay later 0% interest free'. Difference is, we wouldn't buy, if we didn't have the money there and then.
Sooner have the money in the bank for six month, just in case something crops up.
Back to George, surely he's only doing what the party want him to do, just like CaMORON, he's just the front face.
Bit like Thatcher, hate her with vengance, but she didn't make every decision, the tory party did, or is it the bunch of non elected peeriages? in the other room. Do they actually change, regardless who's in No 10 ? Yes, that's a question ;)
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I don't understand. I've read the article again and I can't find any reference to a "posh school and had a posh up-bringing".
I wasn't referring to the article, I was referring to some of your earlier posts.
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Polls/statistics can be shown to do all sorts of things.
At the end of the day, it depends on who was asking what/where/independantly/or not.
Any statistician can provide figures to support their cause.
It depends on how the questions were asked in the poll-loaded or not in one way or the other.
I mistrust politicians full stop.
They have constantly let us down/mislead us with manifestos, and not delivered what they promised.
And continue to do so.
George Osbourne is just another statistic - as I'm sure we all are >:(
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I wasn't referring to the article, I was referring to some of your earlier posts.
No sh*t Sherlock :))
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>> I wasn't referring to the article, I was referring to some of your earlier posts.
Why don't you just contribute to the discussion?
(You could slide a few personal insults in if you were really clever.)
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Fight!!!!!! ;D
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Not from me 8)
Offline now 9.08pm
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BREAKING NEWS.....
Politician responsible for reduction in public spending is unpopular. Shocker... Read all about it.
uk public spending (billion)
2008-9 £629.8
2009-10 £670.1 (Coalition won the election in May 2010 remember)
2010-11 £687.9 (now correct me if I am wrong but thats gone UP)
2011-12 £687.6 (well done thats a reduction, well on your previous year anyway)
2012-13 projected. £683.4 (hey well done George keep it up and you might yet get back to 2009-10 levels)
2013-14 projected £720 (well done Geor......... ah perhaps not)
Breaking news
Politician Unpopular and can't actually manage to do what he's unpopular for!!!!!
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>> I wasn't referring to the article, I was referring to some of your earlier posts.
Why don't you just contribute to the discussion?
(You could slide a few personal insults in if you were really clever.)
If you were really clever you would present an arguement based on facts rather than "class war".
I've said many times that I'm not a fan of Cameron / Osbourne.
When they first formed a Govt they proposed massive cuts in public spending, but remained popular, more so than Labour. The public knew what was needed and was prepared to accept it in the hope that the economy would turnaround, (and then hopefully there would be tax cuts, etc).
As Jon as pointed out above, the cuts haven't happened. Spending has increased, there has been U turn after U turn, and nothing has been achieved economically in the past 2 years.
Those "Tory bashers" like you Pete, don't like Osbourne, but you didn't then either.
The reason his popularity has fallen is because those who did like him, don't anymore, including many in his own party, and many business leaders who offered public support early days. Osbourne has failed because he hasn't done what he said he would. And if you are daft enough to think that its "cuts" thats causing the recession, then thats your own stupid fault for believing the nonsense in the Gaurdian.
And as for contributing to the debate, maybe I didn't contribute earlier because my business seems to be busier than yours and have been working for over 12hours non stop today, so had better things to do when you posted...or maybe its just that your repeated Tory bashing is boring.
As I said earlier, I have no problem with knocking Cameron / Osbourne because of their failed policies....but your constant knocking of the "posh boys" is simple bollocks really, so nothing to debate. I've said it before, and I'll say it again..if you want debate, stick to facts...not bigotry.
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At the risk of repeating myself, "Why don't you just contribute to the discussion?
Why do you just use new threads to have a pop at me?
Don't you have an opinion on current political events?
Newsnight tonight had debate on it, so it's a valid topic.
But you aren't capable of having a rational debate, you are obsessed with me and my views - you don't know me, you know fuck all about me and my life.
You need to relax and calm down, you're just making a fool of yourself, IMHO
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Good answer - point taken.
But what if they did the poll on a Sunday?
Just kidding. :)
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Didn't see the source of that poll but the biggest ones seem to be the online YouGov which presumably rules out the poorest people from participating
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At the risk of repeating myself, "Why don't you just contribute to the discussion?
Why do you just use new threads to have a pop at me?
Don't you have an opinion on current political events?
Newsnight tonight had debate on it, so it's a valid topic.
But you aren't capable of having a rational debate, you are obsessed with me and my views - you don't know me, you know fuck all about me and my life.
You need to relax and calm down, you're just making a fool of yourself, IMHO
At risk of repeating myself:
1) I have started topics but you haven't contributed....maybe you think I should only post threads you agree with.
2) You seem to keep having a pop at me on the number of topics I post. Please show me where in the rules it states a member must post a minimum number of times. Also, I may not post the most, but I don't think I'm the least either. So change the record. Also, as I mentioned, I happento have a business that is very busy at times so have less time on my hands than maybe you, would you rather I didn't post at all. Get over it!
3) You posted this thread, I responded. So how can you say
3) You posted this thread, I responded, then you ask me if I have any political views. Answer, yes I do, and in some cases they seem to match yours and in others they don't. Difference being, my views are based on facts, not biggotry.
4) No, I don't know anything about you Pete, but you have repeatedly posted threads where you use phrases such as "posh boys", etc, and knocking The Tory leadership because of their wealthy backgrounds. Your posts suggest you don't like them for this reason. I may dislike them too, but it is based on their policies and an understanding of economics, not the fact that they went to a posh school.
5) Please tell me how many members this forum has? Last time I looked, only 3 people had voted on the silly poll that has been set up. Why haven't you set up a poll about the silly comments George Galloway makes. You are entitled to your political views, as I am mine. If you don't like mine, tough, but the whole point of a forum is to have open debate / discussion, isn't it. And not everyone is obsessed with spending their time Tory bashing. But if you think it is me that is obsessed with you, you are wrong.....the conclusion many would come to is that it is you that is obsessed....with Tory bashing. What threads have you actually started that aren't about Tory bashing. So maybe its you that should have a lie down!
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No hiding the fact there are a lot of (inherited) millionaires in government who have no idea what it is like to struggle by on a low income. Even on the Labour party there is becoming too much of a trend for career politicians. Needs more like Skinner who can relate to the people he represents.
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There does seem to be an issue on the forum at the moment between me and Pete, so I would like to see if we can draw a line under it and move on.
Pete started this thread aiming critisism at Osborne and I replied with this comment:
Yep, but some of us base our judgements on policies rather than the fact that he went to a posh school and had a posh up-bringing.
to which Pete got very defensive and started going on, (again) about the numbers of threads I start or something.
Anyway, we can put this matter to bed quite easily.
Pete, do you dislike Osborne because of his posh up-bringing, etc?
If the answer is no, then I whole heartedly apologise for my comment above, but maybe you could explain some of your earlier posts where you have attacked him for that very reason.
If the answer is yes, then why have a go at me for saying so, why not be big enough to admit thats how you feel.
I don't understand why you are constantly looking to pick a fight with me, and I'm made to look like the bad guy just because I disagree with your views Pete. Instead of trying to pick a fight with me, why not debate the issue raised, and answer the questions raised. So is the answer to the above question yes or no, was I right or was I wrong. Please tell.
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In my occupation I pick up a variety of different people, from dole wallers to TV personalities.
Guess who I detest the most, those that think they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth,
the ones that think they are above everybody else !! Why the attitude and down the nose stare.
Pete's opinions are his own, if he doesn't like posh people that's his perogative.
Why should he have to defend his own perogatives to you ?
There's other forums, every one might have people on it you don't agree with.
Are you going to ask them to explain their 'whatevers' to you q?
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1) So what? Am I obliged to respond to every one of yours, or anyones, posts?
2) I don't keep having a pop at you on the number of topics you post - find them and prove me wrong.
4) The ONLY TIME I mentioned posh boys was when I quoted Dennis Skinner - http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1110.msg6084.html#msg6084 (http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1110.msg6084.html#msg6084)
5) The poll news was from the Daily Telegraph and I put it in FUN STUFF - cos I thought it was funny.
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End of.
If someone doesn't like the forum the way me and Pete run it,
the doors that way ------> or is it that way <------- :-*
Just close it after you've left ;)
Just for the record, Pete 'does' have the permission to ban users. He choses not to use it.
His perogative ;)