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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Old Cruser on October 01, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
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The late Jimmy Savile's activities are now under scrutiny with accusations of his abuse to young girls - the papers are claiming.
ITV is running a documentary on Wednesday evening saying that the BBC knew of this?
'If' this is true then these people need to be brought to justice.
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I always thought he was gay. :-[
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Must admit so did I at one point.
Bad on all who knew of this --- 'if' it is true. :( >:(
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Always annoying when these types of accusations are brought up after death.
of course the laws regarding slander and Libel don't apply to the dead and they have no means of defending themselves.
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i see they do these sorts of things when the person cant even defend himself.
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To be honest, Its not like the courts or anyone else for that matter can do much about it. Why not just let them rest in piece.
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Never particularly liked the guy, but admired his tireless charitable efforts.
Watched the ITV1 documentary 'Exposure' last night and there were some of his victims telling how they were abused by him, if this is true (and what evidence have we to decide categorically one way or the other?) it is truly sickening. It's just a shame that these accusations weren't aired prior to his death and he could have attempted to defend himself in court.
Some of his abused victims (plus one 'witness' of him groping a young girl in his dressing room) said that they hadn't spoke out earlier as they thought that, as he was a 'star', they would believe him rather than them.
He was also heard on a taped interview to apparently stick up for Gary Glitter, to me that says a lot about the man.
In one respect I agree that he should be left in peace - but - on the other hand his victims are still suffering.
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I agree the victims need closure, the thing with todays society is more people are speaking out against abusers, having been a victime myself its a hard one to grasp will people believe if you told and whose side will people choose. If we do look at Gary glitter he was put away for his crime and was a generally famous person not all courts can be bought off with it.
On the other hand I would also feel that now he is dead he can't hurt anyone like that again!
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Emmz - it takes a brave person to make that statement. x
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Isn't this going a little too far.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/freddie-starr-im-not-the-third-1361473 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/freddie-starr-im-not-the-third-1361473)
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urgh they are groping at straws anything for the media to get their mitts on -_-.
Just a pity not every other peado makes it to the news eh.... (sorry was a bit low)
OC I see it as making me a stronger person for being able to speak out about abuse, no-one should ever have to hide such horrific acts, yes it affects me but my God ive come a long way since then....
IMO Freddie is probably innocent maybe he isnt, would only take a court, judge and evidence to prove either way.
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urgh they are groping at straws anything for the media to get their mitts on -_-.
Just a pity not every other peado makes it to the news eh.... (sorry was a bit low)
OC I see it as making me a stronger person for being able to speak out about abuse, no-one should ever have to hide such horrific acts, yes it affects me but my God ive come a long way since then....
IMO Freddie is probably innocent maybe he isnt, would only take a court, judge and evidence to prove either way.
I can't get into my head why people would want to do the taboo, kids, animals etc.
It just doesn't sink in
Matthew Kelly suffered this sort of media abuse years ago. I felt sorry for the guy :'(
He got totally exonerated.
I hope, :( This Freddie Star sh**, is just that >:(
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Not looking any better about Jimmy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-police-investigate-national?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/09/jimmy-savile-police-investigate-national?newsfeed=true)
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More.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19889974 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19889974)
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I can understand victims being afraid to speak out but adults who witnessed what was going on and kept quiet must take some blame for future incidents
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So now the get rich quick lawyers are on it.
http://www.channel4.com/news/threats-of-legal-action-as-savile-scandal-spreads (http://www.channel4.com/news/threats-of-legal-action-as-savile-scandal-spreads)
Thing is, if the NHS or the BBC get sued, who pays, the tax payer and TV licence payer :o
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Sick....but funny
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2sb7sly.jpg)
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urgh they are groping at straws anything for the media to get their mitts on -_-.
Just a pity not every other peado makes it to the news eh.... (sorry was a bit low)
OC I see it as making me a stronger person for being able to speak out about abuse, no-one should ever have to hide such horrific acts, yes it affects me but my God ive come a long way since then....
IMO Freddie is probably innocent maybe he isnt, would only take a court, judge and evidence to prove either way.
Emmz it either let it ruin your life and they win - or as you have done fight it and move on. Well done as it's so easy to blame it on the failures of things for the rest of your life. One gutsy lady x
We have been following this about J S whilst on holiday and it's not looking good is it I'll bet there are many out there who are quacking in their boots as they can as we know operate from a paedo ring. >:( We will know soon enough :(
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One woman defending him:
"I don't know why people are saying nasty things about Jimmy. When I was 12 he fixed it for me to milk a cow whilst blindfolded"
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:-? who - the cow - Jimmy - or the girl :-?
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and now Morph is being investigated for...
Playdophilia
;)
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Makes you wonder how much worse the accusations can get.
First paedophilia, then necrophilia and now mixing with Tories
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Deafening silence as Tom Watson raised this question on wednesday. Tom was guest speaker at Chesterfield Labour Party dinner last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ux0lyEvOzQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ux0lyEvOzQM)
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Gary Glitter arrested this morning:
"The Metropolitan Police said that Glitter was arrested at 7:15 this morning on suspicion of sexual offences, and had been taken into custody at a London police station."
Who's next? Beatles? Stones?
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Bill Wyman was openly in a relationship with a 14 year old.
And any star with a groupie throwing themselves at them isn't going to ask for the birth certificate.
However many of Savile's alleged victims were vulnerable or troubled and it went on for years. Lot different.
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Esther Ranzen is to be interviewed on Sky News at 11.30am this morning regarding the Savile investigation.
I think things will start to be revealed this week and there will be some crapping themselves who were involved in this.
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@ Slacker, totally agree. But what happens when the mob mentality kicks in?
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"The Metropolitan Police said that Glitter was arrested at 7:15 this morning on suspicion of sexual offences, and had been taken into custody at a London police station."
I didn't even realise he was in the country. I thought he was still out in the Far East if not still in a Vietnamese Prison.
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Me neither i thought he was still abroad,wonder who will be next? Freddie Star seemed keen to make a statment.
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Probably banned from every other country so we're stuck with him.
Who would have suspected someone who sings:
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch? Yeah
Do you wanna touch me there? Where? There, yeah, oh
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
My my my my my
Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah
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Wanna be in my gang ?
Err, no. I'll give that a miss Gary 8)
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They just arrested Freddie Starr.
"Comedian Freddie Starr has been arrested by Scotland Yard officers working on Operation Yewtree.
The 69-year-old was detained at his home in Warwickshire yesterday afternoon on suspicion of sexual offences. He was questioned at a local police station by officers working on Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan police investigation arising out of allegations made against Jimmy Savile."
http://bit.ly/X3WS6j (http://bit.ly/X3WS6j)
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I'm sure there will be more to follow.
Mountain mole hill compo :(
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What's Mountain mole hill compo?
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It's a lack of commas ::)
Let's all start making a mountain out of a mole hill, drag as many celebrities into the equation as possible because everybody can see a way of getting some compensation out of this thing.
Agreed if it happened, then let's have it aired. The longer it goes on, the more hangers on will appear :-X
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They just arrested Freddie Starr.
"Comedian Freddie Starr has been arrested by Scotland Yard officers working on Operation Yewtree.
The 69-year-old was detained at his home in Warwickshire yesterday afternoon on suspicion of sexual offences. He was questioned at a local police station by officers working on Operation Yewtree, the Metropolitan police investigation arising out of allegations made against Jimmy Savile."
http://bit.ly/X3WS6j (http://bit.ly/X3WS6j)
Odd that the papers won't call him a dirty old man until anything is proved in court, yet they are prepared to stick their necks out and call him a "comedian."
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He was funny at times. Suppose that's down to how you define the word funny ::)
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Certainly seems to be a case of "anything goes" in the 70s. Think these were times when "adult" mags were getting more explicit and films were becoming more controversial, but never heard talk of pervy celebs.
My mate had a summer job at Eckington baths and once claimed Gary Glitter went for a swim there once. If it's true he could have had more sinister motives.
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Wonder who they will pull in next q? q?
As Stuart I think said on another thread Freddie had a young woman with him at the press interview I wasn't sure if she was his daughter or partner, many stars go for the younger woman though don't they. Looks better for their street cred I suppose ;)
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Believe it was his partner, 4.3 million Jimmey Saville left i think wonder if that is bringing some people forward
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Yes, it was his pregnant partner :-?
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:-? errr would rather be stitched up than sleep with him ugh
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DLT, Leonard Rossiter, how many more !
I'm not accusing, just saying what I've seen in the papers.
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Neil Diamond
Not saying he is but just following sparkly trend afyer Glitter and Starr
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Dave Lee Travis - busted!
Paul McCartney next? Mick Jagger?...
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2 'allegations' against him have already been reported by the media.
Must admit I'm a bit at a loss to see why Lord McAlpine thinks he's got a claim against the BBC. As far as I'm aware his name wasn't actually mention on the Newsnight programme it was afterwards that certain people like Sally Bercow put 2 and 2 together came up with 9 and named him on twitter.That's hardly the Beeb's fault is it?
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Seems like we are paying him off for that gaff >:(
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"The veteran BBC commentator Stuart Hall has been charged with three counts of indecent assault which date back to the 1970s and 1980s.
It is alleged he abused three girls aged between eight and 17 years between 1974 and 1984, according to the Crown Prosecution Service."
http://bit.ly/11FUpzJ (http://bit.ly/11FUpzJ)
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Seems like their leads are spreading far and wide.
Who next?
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Who next?
In what can only be seen as sweet irony PR Consultant Max Clifford!!
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There will be some people out there shivering in their shoes!
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I hear on this mornings news that a man in his 70's from London has been taken in for questioning under the J.S umbrella line of enquiries.
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Another two pulled in for questioning
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Jim Davidson now...
http://bit.ly/RtxCEl (http://bit.ly/RtxCEl)
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I'd hate someone to come forward and make allegations against me.
How do you prove your not guilty. Word against word. :(
This whole sorry story is quite sad :'(
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I think maybe its gone a bit too far now.
Whats worse fly is coming forward to tell the truth and being told theres insuffiecent evidence, one word against another is all some have.. I would hate to have this allegations especia;;y after what i went through myself
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Full respect to you for your post Emmz
Too many lying batsards that get away with things !!
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It's a three sided thing isn't it.
people are accused who are innocent and people who are guilty can get away with it and there are then the victims who have to go through so much and then once brave enough to step forward never do get justice.
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I think most of it is because to most it can be so unbelievable that a person could do such a thing, to most people its still taboo to even speak of such things.
I hope that on some level the victims and everyone involved can get some closure and people can live with the choice they made!
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Does anybody care anymore? It is yesterdays news
Lets just move ON, it is just about publicity now for media coverage
for "celebrities" that need a job
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Yes so would I CC.
@ PepsiP some abused people just cannot move on read Out of the Dark by Linda Caine and Dr Robin Royston if you can get it and read it, it will give you more of an insight of things.
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indeed, the VICTIMS - cannot move on, but we the general public whom it has not directly affected
don`t want to CONTINUELY hear about it - example the Micheal Jackson thing is soo yesterday.
It is just making news, for the sake of it. It is somebody elses turn to be the "shock" news story.
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Ahh I see what you mean now PepsiP
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Just been watching some of the report on J.S. Disgusting that he was actually trying to put his hand up her bottom whilst on TV, it's clear to see the girl trying to stop him.
My oh My --- i wish he were still alive to face all this the perv!
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DLT has been re-arrested -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dave-lee-travis-arrested-again-over-further-sex-claims-8532717.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/dave-lee-travis-arrested-again-over-further-sex-claims-8532717.html)
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Perv
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Rolf Harris back in the frame - arrested this morning.
http://bit.ly/XUGerF (http://bit.ly/XUGerF)
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Max Clifford now ::)
This whole episode is starting to get silly :(
http://news.sky.com/story/1083538/max-clifford-charged-with-11-sex-assaults (http://news.sky.com/story/1083538/max-clifford-charged-with-11-sex-assaults)
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Blimey the list goes on
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Just heard Bill Roach (ken Barlow from corro) has been taken in for questioning.
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Stuart Hall pleads guilty.
Starting to look like a no smoke and fire job all round.
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Hpw come he gets to sign over his mansion to his wife as the claims will start to go in???
People who have power of atourney can't give what they want with their cash - so what's the difference here? Serious question.
Also I reckon the BBC should do some paying out seeing as they were aware of it - why do they keep getting off???
If we knew of child abuse in our homes I doubt we would get off >:(
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Jimmy Tarbuck now.
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Jimmy Tarbuck now.
Can't believe it, I used to think he was a brilliant comedian/compere etc but he's gone down (oops) in my estimation now!
How many more 'entertainers' are dreading a knock on their door?
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I. wondering if there was a 'ring' of them back then?
Horrible isn't it to think people we have enjoyed watching can do this :(
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Lock 'em all up, doesn't matter who they are.
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And so the story keeps on turning up new accusations...
"Falklands police ask Scotland Yard to investigate Jim Davidson allegations.
Woman claims she was indecently assaulted by comedian when he visited Falkland Islands about 30 years ago"
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Rolf Harris has been charged - how some of these celebs conned us into thinking they were 'nice guys'
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'Charged' is not the same as being 'guilty'.
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True - but making indecent images of children Dave?
Computers don't lie
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"I'm Jake the Peg, with an extra leg"
That's what he told them anywat
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True - but making indecent images of children Dave?
Computers don't lie
I recall a case a few years back where the 'indecent images' were photos of the photographer's children splashing about in the bath - she was reported to the police after taking the film to Boots for processing.
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These are PC images though I believe and I would hope the child protection squad would have done a decent job of checking these.
As you say - we will have to wait and see - Jim Davidson faces no further action so --------
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Were these celebrities acting alone or were they part of a group / club / society or whatever you want to call the sickos ?
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I haven't heard of any paedo ring with these celebs Slacker - but they are 'amongst us' and we don't realise
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They keep coming. Scuse the phrase :-X
Paul Gambaccini arrested in Operation Yewtree inquiry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24779908)
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'kin' 'ell...
What a bunch of perves. Who next?
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'kin' 'ell...
What a bunch of perves. Who next?
Freudian slip nearing in mind Townsend once got arrested for it?
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it seems like every DJ I ever listened to happily, is now under investigation for stuff we can't even contemplate.
Yet the Rock stars from the same era "and lets face it, they did some serious Sha@@ing", seem to be completely unmentioned in these enquiries.
I'm sure some of our most revered Rock Stars have "slept" with under age kids.
What's the difference? Either way its wrong isn't it?
So why aren't they being investigated?
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What a bunch of perves. Who next?
Freudian slip nearing in mind Townsend once got arrested for it?
Yes get in there. 'Who'. I actually made the connection ;) :) ;D :D :)) 8) :P ::) C:-)
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Good point scimitar and you are probably right, there may be some out there 'bricking it' right now.
It only takes one person to start the ball rolling.
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Townsend as I recall claimed that he was visiting child porn sites as research for his autobiography because he thought he'd been abused as a child by his gradnmother who was mentally ill. He also claimed it was these incidents that led him to write Tommy.
Given that Paul Gambaccini is gay it's not the same as Saville et al.
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Innocent until proven guilty Pete - AFAIK Gambaccini hasn't even been charged yet.
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I know this is resurrecting an old topic but today the MP Nigel Evans has been acquitted of all the charges brought against him.
William Roche - not guilty
Michael Le Vell - not guilty
DLT - not guilty
Jim Davidson no case to answer
Jimmy Tarbuck no case to answer.
Now either the British judicial system isn't very good at trying people who are in the public eye or is anyone thinking that were Jimmy Saville still around to have his day in court he too might be acquitted?
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Sadly we will never know. There were some pretty bad allegations against him though TBH :-\
Isn't DLT being re-tried on a couple of counts ?
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Not enough evidence at times for historic claims, so they have to go on what bit of evidence they have and maybe it's their words against the famous person when push comes to shove.
As for Savile we won't ever know will we - still found him a creep though.
Off topic but meanwhile Oscar Pistorious has had a right grilling today, defense were trying to prove he wasn't sensible with his fire arms and trying to get him to admit he was at fault.
I just though O.P. sounded like someone who just panicked and began shooting.
The case goes on
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Cliff Richard? :-?
Wait til someone starts on Mick Jagger... >;
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Are you saying that Cliff Richard has been accused Pete - not watched news yet today.
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Coppers searched one of his houses this morning.
He's on holiday in Portugal.
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Flipping Heck - no ones safe from this.
Hoping it's not true though and it's soon sorted
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Flipping Heck - no ones safe from this.
Hoping it's not true though and it's soon sorted
My sister idolises him and I'm dreading her asking questions.
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My sister too - she'll be gutted if it's true.
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My mum finally got to stand in a small queue of people waiting for autographs, she'd been a fan of his for decades.
He walked straight past them all and totally blanked them. She's not a fan now :))
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Cliff's name has been on the rumour mill for a while as part of the Elm Guest House set
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http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/2571 (http://www.onlinepublishingcompany.info/content/read_more/complexInfobox/site_news/infobox/elements/template/default/active_id/2571)
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That's one of the shit*st websites I've ever navigated to on the Nexus.
Get your point, just have dificulty seeing it at present LOL
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Google "Elm Guest House names" there's probably much clearer ones
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What's all this about then.
Not showing Cliffs film which was due to go out over the Bank Holiday I think, not playing his records.
Give the bloke a break - he's innocent until proved guilty !!!
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Google "Elm Guest House names" there's probably much clearer ones
Post clearer links LOL 8)
I merely told you that link was sh** on a tablet
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It's not from the ink Fly - it's what daily newspaper reported. Seems the BBC are judging him.
Not right IMO