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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: k4blades on January 04, 2012, 01:24:28 PM
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Carrying on the issue from the other place.......
We have a few chickens and every week we clean out their shed, which results in a small bundle of newspaper, straw and chicken pooh having to be thrown away. As chicken pooh is good for composting we have always thrown this in the green, garden waste bin.
Just before Christmas though, it wasn't emptied and a label put on it from the bin men saying that they wouldn't empty it as the garden waste is contaminated. I phoned the lady from the council, as advised on the note, who told me that although she agrees that chicken waste is good compost material, they have been told that it should now go into the black bin.
With the introduction of the blue bin, we thought our black bin would have less waste in it, but now its going to have more, the blue bin is now over-flowing with various bottles, etc, (not even thinking about all the card/paper from xmas) but like everyone else, our green bin will be under used for a few months.
How come for the past 2 years, chicken waste was seen as garden waste, not to be put in the black bin, but now the opposite is true. A perfect example of bureaucratic box ticking and form filling taking precedence over common sense.....no wonder many people don't bother with recycling when the rules seem to be made up as you go along!
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It's one I can ask about next time I have a meeting with environment officers
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..........................and how come, since the introduction of the blue bin, shredded paper is a big no no?! :(
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I feel the green bin should have stayed as cardboard/garden waste. The box provided is nowhere big enough to hold 2 weeks worth of card/paper. and if im honest i dont want to leave extra on the pavement as that means more litter on the streets and lets be honest last thing bin men want is to go chasing rubbish!
Regards to chicken waste i would have thought it would be ok i nthe green bin...i think the council need to rethink what goes in which bin then let the public know..
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I feel the green bin should have stayed as cardboard/garden waste. The box provided is nowhere big enough to hold 2 weeks worth of card/paper. and if im honest i dont want to leave extra on the pavement as that means more litter on the streets and lets be honest last thing bin men want is to go chasing rubbish!
Regards to chicken waste i would have thought it would be ok i nthe green bin...i think the council need to rethink what goes in which bin then let the public know..
What she said!
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I forgot to say, I know dog waste has always gone in the black bin, but understand that this is down to a different chemical composition. Also where as chicken waste is in paper and straw, often dog waste is collected in little plastic bags.
I don't know about cat waste, we haven't got one. Yet.
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Always makes me laugh that cardboard boxes had to be cut into pieces and not left on steets years ago as the unscrupulous of us would see that No 5 (other house numbers are available) had had a new hifi system and that would be a good indicator to be robbed in the forthcoming days/weeks/months. Now we're told to leave these out at the side of the bins (poxy little black thing inside blue bins aint big enough) for the binmen to pick up :(
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..........................and how come, since the introduction of the blue bin, shredded paper is a big no no?! :(
Reduces the quality of compost
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One of the letters in the DT this week criticising blue bins is from an old friend of mine
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Travelling To Germany a lot, I like their Idea of recycling bottles, whether Glass or plastic.
You take them to the supermarket, and put them into a machine, which in turn counts them
and duly gives you a receipt for an amount to be used at the check-out tills. hence no plastic
or glass bottles littering the street. You can imagine the kids in this Country going mad for it..eh.
remember the days taking beer bottles back for threepence.
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>> remember the days taking beer bottles back for threepence
Oh yes! When we were kids in the 50s we lived across the road from Queens Park and when there was a cricket match they would let us in later in the afternoon. We made quite a nice profit thanks. :)
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I forgot to say, I know dog waste has always gone in the black bin
Really? We always used to place our dog waste in the street bins provided (mind you we got some funny looks carrying it to the bin when we didn't have the dog with us!!)
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told to leave these out at the side of the bins (poxy little black thing inside blue bins aint big enough) for the binmen to pick up :(
Get real - can you actually see that happening if it strays more than just a few cms away from the bin(s)? ;D
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..........................and how come, since the introduction of the blue bin, shredded paper is a big no no?! :(
Reduces the quality of compost
But surely it did that before?
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We made quite a nice profit thanks. :)
Always the entrepreneur eh Pete?! :)
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..........................and how come, since the introduction of the blue bin, shredded paper is a big no no?! :(
Reduces the quality of compost
But surely it did that before?
Specification has changed. Part of the reason the successful contractors could be competitive was the money to be made from recycling
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Pop bottles always made a few pence.
Start as you mean to go on. I got a job instead :)
Visions of Pete walking the streets of town , as a kid, looking for pop bottles, and inspiration. LOL :D
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The weather is showing just how stupid the councils latest bin initiative is.
I put my blue bin on the front last night, ready to be emptied this morning. On my way out this morning, it had blown over, due to the fact that nothing heavy is placed in there, (unless you have lots of glass bottles), spilling its contents, including the insert bit for card. I picked up what I could and also took out 4 black bin-liners full of paper/card/etc from Xmas, all neatly tied up as instructed. These have been in the garage since Xmas, but placed by the bin this morning...we are told that we should make sure its all put out early as collection could be at any time.
Well I've been out all morning, and spotted many other bins also blown over spilling their waste. I have now got back home, and our street still hasn't been emptied, our bin has blown over again, the black bags, being light have blown down the street, boxes, have blown across the neighbours garden and card / paper litter from several peoples bins has now blown all over the cul-de-sac.
In the mean time, green bins sit empty and unused.
Once the bins have been emptied I hope the council are going to send someone round to sweep up all the litter but somehow I doubt it.
They should admit they have made a mistake, eat some humble pie, then look again at the silly idea of only allowing one small inner box for card, and NOT suggest people leave litter stacked by the bin.
Come on Chesterfield Council, engage brain please!
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It's not been an ideal start with probably the most gales we've had for years. Size of the inserts is based on H & S guidelines. I've seen bins of all colours blown over in my travels today. Isn't it black bin week in Chesterfield?
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Isn't it black bin week in Chesterfield?
Knowing Chesterfield Council, Yes.
At least Boza Council alternate different areas each week.
Our recycle bin in the morning, my mum's black bin. She's only 1/2 mile down the road.
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Size of the inserts is based on H & S guidelines.
A phrase that sometimes gets my hackles up. I'm a big fan of being healthy and safe, and hate to see this phrase trotted out to excuse any number of odd-looking customs and practices. We tend to have a 25-kilo lift limit per person at work although, of course, that can go up and down dependent on a number of factors. What is the cardboard compartment going to weigh, full? Five kilos? And how much did the blue boxes, full of steel tins and glass bottles, weight when full? If folk could lift those for so long without a problem...
As it happens, the cardboard compartment is usually big enough for us - a family of four - although the thing does unaccountably slip off the side of the bin and into it sometimes, depositing cardboard into old tins and making neccessary a "lean in and fish out" session - difficult and occasionally painful, if your back's like mine.
Isn't it black bin week in Chesterfield?
If it is, then I'd like to know who emptied my blue one on Stand Road on Monday, so that I can thank them for their kindness. In reality, bins of both colours are emptied in different areas of my neighbourhood on the same day.
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What is the cardboard compartment going to weigh, full? Five kilos? And how much did the blue boxes, full of steel tins and glass bottles, weight when full? If folk could lift those for so long without a problem...
And let's not forget that, when the old 'blue boxes' [which contained all materials] were being used, they had to be lifted from ground level - whereas the blue bin inserts [which now only contain paper & cardboard] are only being lifted from just above waist level (or almost head height if you're vertically challenged like me!!! ;))
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..........................and how come, since the introduction of the blue bin, shredded paper is a big no no?! :(
Reduces the quality of compost
But surely it did that before?
Specification has changed. Part of the reason the successful contractors could be competitive was the money to be made from recycling
Excuse me for being thick, but, how does shredding a piece of A4 paper alter its' constituent parts? Surely if an A4 piece of paper is acceptable a 'shred' of paper should be - if not when is a piece of paper not a piece of paper (A5 - A3 - Foolscap - Quarto)?
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It is the green bin that can't have have shredded paper not the blue bin.
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It is the green bin that can't have have shredded paper not the blue bin.
Methinks I've got things muddled a bit here! Mother-in-Law (NEDDC resident) can only put shredded paper in the black bin, and I assumed that we (CBC) would be the same.
OK - carry on as normal! ;)
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And we used to go up to the wood yard on Saturday morning to collect offcuts of wood, chop it into firewood selll it to get 1 shilling.
6 pence to see the cinema in the morning and 6 pence for fish and chips at Bodens.
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6 pence for fish and chips at Bodens.
Aah Bodens - used to rush their from Tech (now known as Chesterfield College) when I was on day-release at lunchtime to beat the queues!
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I have asked the chicken question and it is being looked into
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Thanks.
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Looks like this subject isn't going to go away anytime soon... This is from a letter to the DT today:
"The recent letter published in the Derbyshire Times regarding the (non)-disposal cardboard (other than by the wind) and the problems it causes, makes me angry about how the producers of our goods off-load the problem on to us as consumers.
We have very little choice as to how we buy our goods as most of it is imported. Things are wrapped, packaged, cocooned to coincide factory storage, order picking, transport, distribution and display demands of the manufacturers, not the ultimate customer."
http://bit.ly/xmAyU3 (http://bit.ly/xmAyU3)
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My neighbour rang up to complain about the amount of paper and cardboard that was littered around after t'other weeks wind, only to be told that a van follows the (convoy of) bin wagon(s) to pick this up.
How environmentally unfriendly is that - THREE vehicles doing the job that ONE used to do when we just had the green bin?????!!!!! ???
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Well they haven't been down our street. Last week when we had our blue bin emptied, we had loads of newspapers and stuff blown all over the street, which wasn't even our, but it all collects in the end of the cul-de-sac....around our garden, and it wasn't that windy. Apart from the bit on our garden which I picked up, the rest, thats on the road and park, is still there, a week later.
The other day driving up Chesterfield Rd, I saw 2 of the inserts that had some how made there way onto the road. One was upturned, spilling its load. The other looked like it had been hit by a car, as it was all smashed.
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Well they haven't been down our street......................
Sorry, should have said that, although they said they do follow the vans, we've never seen them either!
What a crock o'shite! >:(
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Looks like this subject isn't going to go away anytime soon... This is from a letter to the DT today:
"The recent letter published in the Derbyshire Times regarding the (non)-disposal cardboard (other than by the wind) and the problems it causes, makes me angry about how the producers of our goods off-load the problem on to us as consumers.
We have very little choice as to how we buy our goods as most of it is imported. Things are wrapped, packaged, cocooned to coincide factory storage, order picking, transport, distribution and display demands of the manufacturers, not the ultimate customer."
http://bit.ly/xmAyU3 (http://bit.ly/xmAyU3)
I couldn't agree more with that sentiment. I've always said that instead of all this messing about with recycling, if you really want to tackle the problem deal with it at source, and stop making so much waste in the first place.
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My neighbour rang up to complain about the amount of paper and cardboard that was littered around after t'other weeks wind, only to be told that a van follows the (convoy of) bin wagon(s) to pick this up.
How environmentally unfriendly is that - THREE vehicles doing the job that ONE used to do when we just had the green bin?????!!!!! ???
Aren't you forgetting the box and bag collection?
btw any extra vehicles are at the contractor's risk and make no difference to the amount coming out of our council tax for the service
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>> btw any extra vehicles are at the contractor's risk and make no difference to the amount coming out of our council tax for the service
But the point was about how environmentally responsible it was.
So what you are saying is the council put cost over environmental issues?
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Not at all.
Quality of compost is now much improved since cardboard was banned from green bins.
% of recycling has increased since the introduction of blue bins.
Problems of the light lids are being looked at, a press statement should be issued in the near future.
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Quality of compost is now much improved since cardboard was banned from green bins.
% of recycling has increased since the introduction of blue bins.
Problems of the light lids are being looked at, a press statement should be issued in the near future.
Yawn!!! :)