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Title: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on January 24, 2013, 04:57:35 PM


http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-plans-for-8-5m-replacement-for-queen-s-park-sports-centre-1-5349804 (http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-plans-for-8-5m-replacement-for-queen-s-park-sports-centre-1-5349804)
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: emmz on January 24, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
could be interesting, they do indeed need to update it a little.
Use the centre on a regular basis for pool and gym so yea hope it goes ahead
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on January 24, 2013, 05:29:06 PM
Hope they heat the water up abit if they do replace it flipping freezing in there at times.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on January 25, 2013, 11:12:59 AM
In the current economic climate, would it not be prudent to renovate the existing centre? I, for one, would not be happy if they proceed and the council tax goes up.

Or why not just wait awhile until things are more settled?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: therealjr on January 25, 2013, 12:21:32 PM
Hope they heat the water up abit if they do replace it flipping freezing in there at times.

The staff will tell you that there is nothing wrong with the temperature of the water. The problem is that because of all the glass in there and the lack of a decent cooling system  the air temperature is too high making the water appear to be much cooler than it actually is.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on January 25, 2013, 01:51:58 PM
The staff will tell you that there is nothing wrong with the temperature of the water. The problem is that because of all the glass in there and the lack of a decent cooling system  the air temperature is too high making the water appear to be much cooler than it actually is.

The staff can tell me whatever they like --- but I know the water is too cold for me  >;
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: emmz on January 25, 2013, 03:03:11 PM
I have been in the pool at times and its been rather on the chilly side, also been in the learner pool with laura and that has been cold at times..
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on January 25, 2013, 04:27:16 PM
I took a young person there last year and we migrated to the childrens pool for a warm up - but that wasn't too warm either, took me the rest of the day to warm up.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: therealjr on January 25, 2013, 10:26:02 PM
A business is pretty much allowed to do anything it likes as long as it stays within the law.
A council is only allowed to do what it has been granted the power to do.
Anything else is deemed to be 'Ultra Vires' or outside its powers.
I stand to be corrected but I'm pretty sure that any attempt by a council to do what you suggest would quickly be declared outside of their powers.
I'd also I'm sure be on pretty safe ground when I say that money such as this £8.5m for the sports centre is from some fund or other probably from Europe that is ring fenced to be used on capital projects such as a new sports centre and can't be used for revenue expenditure like maintaining car parks, emptying bins or as you suggest paying business rates.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: therealjr on January 25, 2013, 10:54:06 PM
As I said the £8.5m is probably ring fenced and only available for this type of capital project.

And just because they have £8.5m to spend why do you assume that they are going to waste it?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 03, 2013, 09:58:06 AM
Not sure that a new building is a good idea.
Sheffield can't afford to run the Don Valley Stadium. It's closing.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sport/2013/03/02/stadium-closure-saddens-ennis/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sport/2013/03/02/stadium-closure-saddens-ennis/)
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 03, 2013, 10:41:06 AM
Why they want to replace it beats me - it doesn't seem that long since they had the roof done was it with solar panels?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Stuart on March 03, 2013, 10:58:34 AM
I've read the orginal article, but it isn't clear; I suppose this will be built on top of the current neglected track & field facilities?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Slacker on March 03, 2013, 12:08:11 PM
Not sure that a new building is a good idea.
Sheffield can't afford to run the Don Valley Stadium. It's closing.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sport/2013/03/02/stadium-closure-saddens-ennis/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/uk-sport/2013/03/02/stadium-closure-saddens-ennis/)

Just askin, Barry, how do Bolsover's facilities compare? I believe they have ones at Creswell and Shirebrook but never been in. Recommendations are 2 per 28000 (I think) residents.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 03, 2013, 04:49:42 PM
TBH Andy, I haven't got a clue. Never been near a Gym in my life.
Bolsover itself hasn't got a leisure centre or swimming baths, I know that.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Slacker on March 03, 2013, 06:05:52 PM
Chesterfield is the centre of attraction for much of NEDDC & BDC which is why that the services which require council tax subsidies should be cheaper for Chesterfield residents.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 04, 2013, 02:59:22 PM
I notice curtesy of slacker's facebook that this is going ahead
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2013, 05:21:09 PM
Just had a reply to the iChesterfield story about this from a certain Henri07...  :-[

Seems that he and I actually agree! :)

Check this out - http://bit.ly/YaGRqN (http://bit.ly/YaGRqN)
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 05, 2013, 05:49:02 PM
Why no diving boards ?

Quote
The centre, which will open in early 2015, will have a mix of modern facilities such as swimming pools, a fitness suite, dance studio and sports hall - but the three diving boards currently at Queen’s Park will not be replaced nor will the running track.

http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-fears-new-queen-s-park-sports-centre-will-be-lacking-in-facilities-1-5469219 (http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-fears-new-queen-s-park-sports-centre-will-be-lacking-in-facilities-1-5469219)
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Stuart on March 05, 2013, 07:26:46 PM
Why no diving boards ?

http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-fears-new-queen-s-park-sports-centre-will-be-lacking-in-facilities-1-5469219 (http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/chesterfield-fears-new-queen-s-park-sports-centre-will-be-lacking-in-facilities-1-5469219)

Easier/cheaper to manage from a safety provision point of view?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2013, 07:27:37 PM
Compulsary rubber rings?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 05, 2013, 07:28:50 PM
It's probably being built bunnygallow style to keep the cost down  8)
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Slacker on March 05, 2013, 09:53:06 PM
Problem with rebuilding on same site is what becomes of users and staff in the interim period.

This idea is similar to what's happened with many schools in North Derbyshire. Build a new one in the grounds or nearby then demolish the old one. I prefer a partnership agreement with the college which benefits local people rather than a company run for profit.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 05, 2013, 10:51:18 PM
I think you'll find the college is pretty much a business run for profit. And what about the access for ordinary folks if the college have such a preferential deal?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Slacker on March 07, 2013, 07:39:59 PM
Henri's guest columnist in the DT
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 07, 2013, 07:48:03 PM
TBH the photo of him isn't the best he's had taken.  :D
Yes, I have met him.

Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2013, 07:51:37 PM
Got a link for that?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 07, 2013, 07:56:09 PM
Article or photo ?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2013, 07:58:52 PM
Both
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 07, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
Alan. I agree with everything you say in this article.
I hope no one, or yourself pulls me down for this post.

(http://i1057.photobucket.com/albums/t382/Barry_Fly/AlanMaris_zpsd7cb80d9.jpg)

S'pose the DT will be banging on my door tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 07, 2013, 08:35:34 PM
That's the article I put on iChesterfield earlier this week, but I didn't have photo.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Fly on March 07, 2013, 08:42:34 PM


I can't find the website I got it from. My laptop froze, kin thing. #atnothappy
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 07, 2013, 08:47:08 PM
In our current situation all councils should be looking towards anything that is cost effective I don't see the need for a new building if the old one can be re-vamped cheaper.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: therealjr on March 07, 2013, 11:18:44 PM
I doubt it can.
Don't forget that the Sports centre might be a recent addition (mid 80's) the pool has to all intents and purposes been there since the late 60's.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Slacker on March 08, 2013, 06:39:20 AM
1968 / 1987

We used to go across to Sutton before it opened (unless it was hot enough to brave Markham baths)

Pools need to be 25 or 50m for competitions, QP is 33 & a third.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 08, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
I doubt it can.
Don't forget that the Sports centre might be a recent addition (mid 80's) the pool has to all intents and purposes been there since the late 60's.

According to the article above it would be, or am I reading it wrong
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: therealjr on March 08, 2013, 12:16:44 PM
Pools need to be 25 or 50m for competitions, QP is 33 & a third.

Back when the pool was built it would have been 50 yards!!
Of course the reason it was built at such a strange length is because the council of the time wanted to DISCOURAGE it being used for competitions to the detriment of ordinary swimmers.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 08, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
I always thought it looked bigger than the one in Clay Cross. When she was well my daughter was in the Rykneld swimming club and they held races there
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 08, 2013, 08:43:13 PM
Where do they hold the schools' sports days these days?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Old Cruser on March 09, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Which schools?
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 09, 2013, 10:46:33 AM
Chesterfield.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Stuart on March 09, 2013, 12:43:37 PM
Where do they hold the schools' sports days these days?
Sports days?


Newbold C of E priimary has a field at the back of it, but I've never heard of the senior school doing a sports day.
Title: Re: £8.5m replacement for Queen’s Park Sports Centre
Post by: Pete on March 09, 2013, 12:54:08 PM
Not that I'm old and out of touch but... I remember when all the local schools competed in a sports day thingy. Don't they do that these days?