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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: ironsky2 on October 12, 2014, 09:55:36 AM
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For a town of Chesterfields size it would seem we are well served by Tesco shops. My parents shop at Tesco Extra at Clay Cross on a Saturday the last few times they have been they have commented on how dead it was. When taking to the people who are running the Crispin or Somerset House pubs Tesco plans for each pub seem all up in the air. While I don't regularly vistit the large Tesco on Whittington Moor it was quite when I was there perhaps due to Aldi opening near by and impacting on its trade. I do think Aldi might have slowed or caused a rethink on Tesco's plans for the town or have they overreached themselfs by having too many stores in the Chesterfield area?
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They are reacting to the current customer trend which is towards little and often. It's almost a return to the corner shop mentality but it's the big 4 providing the shop.
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For a town of Chesterfields size it would seem we are well served by Tesco shops. My parents shop at Tesco Extra at Clay Cross on a Saturday the last few times they have been they have commented on how dead it was. When taking to the people who are running the Crispin or Somerset House pubs Tesco plans for each pub seem all up in the air. While I don't regularly vistit the large Tesco on Whittington Moor it was quite when I was there perhaps due to Aldi opening near by and impacting on its trade. I do think Aldi might have slowed or caused a rethink on Tesco's plans for the town or have they overreached themselfs by having too many stores in the Chesterfield area?
I understand Enterprise Inns went to the Somerset House the day after Derbyshire Times went, & told them to start serving food again! Until further notice!
Yet Tesco won the appeal & could have had the builders in by now ripping it apart.
Is Tesco that skint that they have had to put these Pub conversions on hold? We all know about the negative publicity regarding their profit forecasts....but surely if they think the likes of Tesco Express is the way forward in terms of their profit margins, they would be steaming in and converting the Pub to be open for Christmas?!
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I agree Scimitar the impression I got was Somerset House was closing soon. It seems strange for Tesco to fight tooth and nail for both pubs all this time then stall on them given the time of year we are now in. The only thing I can think of is Aldi has had a greater impact on the Chesterfield area trade wise and the stores they have are not turning over as much profit in the pre Aldi days. When I was talking to the landlady at Somerset House the impression I got was no one knew what was happening that included Tesco.
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Chesterfield is a small town - so to have two pubs (Crispin & Somerset House) that Tesco want to convert - minimal cost I suppose to Tesco. But think countrywide, and I bet they have their eyes on thousands of pubs!!
Now that Tesco's new Boss has called the Fraud Squad in over their £250Million shortfall in profit projection, and suspended 8 top management, I guess they have some major problems to deal with internally, and in the meantime stop spending funds which they apparently no longer have. Makes you wonder where the missing money has gone - if indeed it is missing, or been misappropriated in any.
Make your own mind up on that one.
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Though Calow and Clay Cross are not in Chesterfield
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Though Calow and Clay Cross are not in Chesterfield
Pedantic comment - geographically they are!
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But not in administrative / planning terms as people suggest when they claim Chesterfield is overrun by them
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But not in administrative / planning terms as people suggest when they claim Chesterfield is overrun by them
So the greater Derbyshire, DCC, CBC, NEDDC, Amber Valley, isn't properly represented.
I guess we have room for one in every village then. Can anyone honestly say that Chesterfield was overrun by them - until Aldi & Lidl showed up?
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To me Tesco have had the freedom to do what they like in Chesterfield the council simply rubber stamp there plans. But yet when other supermarkets want to open a store in town its refused a good example of that was when ASDA wanted to build a large store on Derby Road it would have creted jobs more choice for the people. But it got refused instead we have a derelict land to admire but yet Tesco could have a gaint of a store on Whittington Moor.
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Sorry we've had this discussion times many before but for the benefit of newer members: if you want to build a new supermarket regardless of size you need planning permission. If you want to convert an existing retail outlet like a pub into a local supermarket then you don't. You do need permission for any alterations for loading bays etc but permission to make the initial change no. So the council (CBC NEDDC or whoever) have no choice but to 'rubber stamp'
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So are you saying Tesco can take over ( to be over the top) ALL the pubs within Chesterfield town centre ) and turn them into mini Tesco's and the CBC couldn't stop them?
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So are you saying Tesco can take over ( to be over the top) ALL the pubs within Chesterfield town centre ) and turn them into mini Tesco's and the CBC couldn't stop them?
If the public want to blame someone it should be the property owners that sell to tesco. they don't have compulsory purchase powers
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If the public want to blame someone it should be the property owners that sell to tesco. they don't have compulsory purchase powers
I was under the impression that retailers had to apply to the council to turn a building such as a pub into a shop is this not the case then.
Are you saying that CBC or North East Derbyshire don't have a say in this?
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If the public want to blame someone it should be the property owners that sell to tesco. they don't have compulsory purchase powers
Not all together ture the government brought out Community Assets which by rights gives the community a say when a pub is under threat of been turned into something else.
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I was under the impression that retailers had to apply to the council to turn a building such as a pub into a shop is this not the case then.
Are you saying that CBC or North East Derbyshire don't have a say in this?
Minor things like signage and access design need need planning but even if they are turned down they can appeal to higher bodies. Shops and pubs are licensed retail premises so they don't need to go through the hassle of change of use.
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Minor things like signage and access design need need planning but even if they are turned down they can appeal to higher bodies. Shops and pubs are licensed retail premises so they don't need to go through the hassle of change of use.
So we may well have a change of name for our town then
Tescofield - market town of the Crooked Spire and Tesco's!!
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Minor things like signage and access design need need planning but even if they are turned down they can appeal to higher bodies. Shops and pubs are licensed retail premises so they don't need to go through the hassle of change of use.
Which is what happened with the Somerset House in Calow. It was turned down by the local authority on certain planning issues & comments about access to Hospital re parking on Chesterfield Rd, etc,etc, but tesco took the appeal to the Secretary of State, who Rubber Stamped the approval, despite a 2500 petition from locals & the local authority concerns.
Its the change of retail use of the building which the planning dept can't object to.
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A problem for councils trying to resist Tesco planning applications is that Tesco has very deep pockets and can keep re applying and appealing, so do you want our council tax spent on fighting of endless Tesco planning applications.
The easiest way to stop Tesco is don't shop there, which is a little of what is happening these days with the help of the internet and savvy shoppers, the power has shifted a little way towards the consumer. ;D
I think Tesco is suffering from shoppers like me, I use mysupermarket.co.uk and put together my shopping list, and then I do one of 2 things depending where I might be during the week, I
1 Buy all my shopping from the cheapest store
2 Pick and chose the cheapest products from the various stores.
Option 2 I take fuel into consideration that's why I try and work out where I might be in the week as it's not worth a trip to Morrison up Brampton to save 50p on the other hand Aldi Tesco ASDA and Sainsbury are all close together.
I also only buy stuff on offer where I can, I stock up on the on offer stuff, then stop buying until its on offer again if I can last long enough on my stock pile.
According to a TV program I am a little behind the curve as some people have mysupermarket.co.uk App on their phone and check the prices.
I also heard that it costs the super markets about £15.00 to prepare and delivery a online shopping basket order which has to be eating into profits.
I suppose when u are the biggest the little guys will always be nimble enough to take bites out of you.
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I always buy extra of items when they are on offer.
The other week in Lidl, I worked out the although Andrex toliet rolls were more expensive than Cushelle sheet for sheet,
I could get more for my money if I bought the Andrex - which I did ;)
Made hubby chuckle ;)
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Made hubby chuckle
What did, soft toilet roll. Or the cheaper price ::)
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What did, soft toilet roll. Or the cheaper price ::)
The Dragon stood working it all out in the middle of Lidl with shoppers walking round me ;)
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Tesco's have really taken a tumble this week haven't they.
With over stated profits of £263m and shares slumping by 6.5% down yesterday what will their next move be?
From what I have read they are going to reduce their range of goods.
Has it taken Lidl and Aldi to show them how it's done?
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Supermarkets stopped being solely food providers a long time ago and expanded into other markets. Sainsbury's for example is now the 6th biggest clothes retailer by volume in the UK and have only been in the market 10 years. The problem with T**** is they expanded into too many different markets too quickly. They also had unsuccessful launches abroad. Finally their out of town centre superstore policy of recent years has left them in a poor position to react to the new shopper trends of little and often. The biggest complaint we hear about the lockoford lane store is 'you cant just pop in and out for a few bits.
Sainsbury's has (obviously in my humble but biased opinion) the better layout because if you don't want GM and clothing you can turn left at the doors and avoid them. T**** you have to fight through them to get to food and Morrisons they appear half way round your shop!!
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Tesco has clearly overeached itself full stop to go back to the original thread. Shares plummeting, customers numbers falling, management in turmoil. I don't think the likes of the Pubs under threat of conversion should worry too much at the moment, because Tesco may not be able to afford it anymore.
They have some serious work to do to get back on track, moreover, to win back the fleeing shopper.
A lot of people have lost confidence in them, and it's going to be very difficult & hard to win them back.
Every Dog has it's day, Tesco is finding out the hard way. I just hope the shop floor staff don't suffer as a result - that may be a hope too far regrettably.
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In general terms I don't think the shops will suffer. The company will still have an £x million budget to spend on advertising to convince you that they are cheaper and have great offers. The bigger issue is the longer they spend fire fighting these fraud allegations the longer it will take them to produce a strategy for the future to win back their market share
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If you consider the budget for Pub conversions nationwide ( not just Chesterfield) it must have been a huge amount of money.
I simply know that Enterprise Inns who own the Somerset House in Calow firstly;
a) gave them a date to quit the Pub,
b)extended that date slightly (already laid off the "chef's"),
c)the day after the Derbyshire Times went to visit(about the closure) a representative from Enterprise Inns turned up and told the occupiers to carry on indefinitely & start doing Meals again until further notice.
Now the Blacksmith Arms Pub has been closed in Calow (another story).
So the Somerset & White Hart are left. The White Hart is an eatery (Marston's) foremost, whereas the Somerset is more of a traditonal style pub, but still does great food so I'm told.
I know Tesco has many millions still left in the pot for this kind of thing, but I guess the new team in charge are putting things on hold for now until they can stabilise & repair the damage to its reputation.
They have a very long way to go in my opinion, & it will be interesting to watch what they come up with in terms of re-branding and winning back customers.
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And now watch them fall from grace.
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And now watch them fall from grace.
That's already happening as we speak.