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General Category => Rants => Topic started by: simondjuk on February 01, 2012, 08:49:55 PM
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Where do they get these people. Have a read and look at the diagram.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185)
They spend £582 a week to live. This includes £15 a week on Sky, £32 a week on mobile phones and included in their shopping bill 24 cans of lager, a pouch of tobacco and 200 fags.
The bloke says he was made redundant in 2001 as his skills were no longer needed. Its now 2012, did he not think of retraining?
Im sorry but why the fuck do these people complain about having little cash spare but they can afford to drink, smoke, have Sky and mobile phones?
Its simple maths, they would lose about £82 a week. By my reckoning a pack of fags is what £6-£7? 200 a week thats £60-£70 saving right there and 24 cans say £12. Get rid of Sky and get Freeview, so that makes them £15 better off. Theres your £82 saving with a bit extra. Simple?!
I work for a living and always have and if for any reason I lost my job, id cut back on luxuries. Why cant these do the same instead of scrounging off the tax payer?
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Isn't Sky, booze, fags and mobiles for those that actually work, and can afford these luxuries ?
I'm sure that report is a comparrison of the money they are claiming for, for what ever.
Not what they are claiming for.
Still stinks :o
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The one I can never figure out is the jobseekers allowance. I worked September of 1981 till May 2007, I paid tax and NI on salaries ranging from £8k to £32k during that time.
When I went to sign on in July of 2007 I was told I was entitled to 12 weeks jobseekers allowance and after that, zip, nowt, b***** and f*** all. So how does this guy still qualify after 11 years?
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Joint family income?
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They never asked!!
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Everyone gets the 12 week period then it actually goes onto jobseekers. I wont rant again like i did in the previous thread. I dont understand how on earth anyone can spend £500 a week??? It makes people like myself who is on the benefit sysyem look like a scrounger :(
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I have seen 3 completely different / independent stories in the media this week about clinically obese people living off benefits.
The one I read yesterday was about a woman weighing over 40st, living off pop and chocolate. So fat, she struggles to get out of bed, and can't leave the house. She has barely worked ever in the 20 or 30 years since leaving school. Not only is her life style funded by our taxes, but she also gets £300 a week worth a care from the council to help her wash and go to the toilet!
And yet we have genuine disabled people, old and infirm, struggling to get help with their needs.
There is something seriously wrong if we think this is the way society should be. They should stop with immediate effect any care she gets, and be told to wash herself. And she should be given 3 months notice that she won't get no more benefits unless she can show she is actively looking for work.
If someone makes the conscious decision to shove crap down their throat, it does not make them disabled, nor should they be treated that way. Its an insult to all those in genuine need!
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May have mental health issues
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Good point Slacker - I met an obese woman a few years ago and, being a bit fatist, I thought she should just stop eating as much. I then found out she had serious mental problems and felt really guilty about it.
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And the way society deals with mental health is to allow the person to develop physical health issues???
If we had a properly managed and intergrated benefits system, anyone who had genuine health issues should have those issues identified early on and dealt with. The sad fact is over the past decade or more, 100,000s declared themselves "disabled" and have lived off benefits when they shouldn't have been. Those in authority turned a blind eye as it kept unemployment figures down. Thats exactly why we should give thorough examinations to anyone claiming any sort of benefit, and then determine what help they really need, rather than just handing out money willy nilly!
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I have to agree with Slacker and Pete about the possibility of mental health problems. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems with stuff like that. It's best not to generalise and judge when you don't know the while story.
However, that's rather an aside to the main topic which is about the family on benefits. I agree that too many abuse the benefits systems and the government are long overdue for examinations to people claiming any sort of benefit (K4blades).
And as for that obscene amount that family get through with Sky, booze, fags etc, while I'm not surprised - I AM sickened because people who work their backsides off to keep body and soul together struggle to afford such luxuries. At one time I actually held down 3 jobs to keep a reasonable standard of living while elder daughter was at Uni. I had a main full time day job, a pub job 2 nights a week and a party plan job for another 2 nights. Even so, none of us had a swanky mobile, no big telly, only ran an old banger of a car, and maybe went out once a week (we counted ourselves lucky to get that). >:(
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I'm sorry but you don't seem to understand my last post.
Of course, if someone has mental health issues they should be helped. I don't consider it helpful to them to ignore that issue, give them a fortune in taxpayers money, so that they can eat themselves into an early grave, and at the same time rob other people needing help of much needed money, just so that the governments official unemployment figures don't look as bad, which is what happens when someone is left on disabilty allowances. How anyone can support that and then consider themselves compasionate, I don't know.
Much better to find out at the beginning of when someone puts in a claim, if they have any issues that would stop them working, be it health or anything else, then help them deal with that so that they become a useful and contributing member of society, and insuring that the limited public funds are spent on those who really need it.
This woman is likely to die of obesity in the next couple of years, the fact that she may or may not, (and the report suggested not), have mental issues, is ignorig the facts. People shouldn't just be fobbed off, if they have issues, then as a decent society we should help tackle those issues, and just saying she has mental problems is a cop out because some don't want to see whats glaringly obvious.
And apart from anything else, for someone to die of obesity, its an insult to the starving millions around the world!
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That's all well and good if the person is diagnosed with mental illness BEFORE they put on weight.
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1) You, well Slacker, but you agreed with him, brought the issue of mental illness into the discussion, not me.
2) If someone is obese and does not have a mentil illness, then they should be given a kick up the arse and told to get off benfits, which is exactly the point I was making before you and Slacker brought in the point raised above in 1)
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>> If someone is obese and does not have a mentil illness, then they should be given a kick up the arse and told to get off benfits
Agree with that.
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Just adding an obese person could have other medical/genetic problems.
eg, as mentioned to me by our_lass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prader%E2%80%93Willi_syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prader%E2%80%93Willi_syndrome)
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Yikes! For a moment I thought you wrote Prada Willy...
I quite fancy one of those, a designer dick ;)
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Keep it on topic please.
ChesterfieldOnline don't need to know about your d1ck wishes :P ahem ::)
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Fly - I've PMed you. :P
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Again !! Dooh, can't say owt on here, frickin eejit mods :o
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It doesn't help your case if characterise your reply with Irish stereotypes...
PMed you again.
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You know I've been given Mrs Browns Boys DVD as a birthday pressie :)
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Drink! Feck! Arse! Girls!
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Classic Father Ted, LMAO
Got the Xmas special edition DVD if you want to borrow it.
Milk float, Elvis etc LOL
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Yep! :)
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I'm not going to get extradited to the US if I lend you my DVD am I ?
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You know I've been given Mrs Browns Boys DVD as a birthday pressie :)
No finer pressie if I may say so. I'm a huge fan of Mrs Brown ;D
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>> If someone is obese and does not have a mentil illness, then they should be given a kick up the arse and told to get off benfits
Agree with that.
So do I.
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Yep! :)
Sorry, it's not a 'Xmas Special Edition', its, 'The very best of', with a bonus 'Christmassy Ted' episode.
I'll drop it off tomorrow ;)
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Cheers mate. :)
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Just read about a guy in Clay Cross who got busted for claiming various benefits when he had £70,000 stashed!
He received £20,000 but only got a 12-month community order and 150 hours of unpaid work.
I give up...
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Yep, its this kind of stuff that makes it difficult for those in genuine need. I hope he was made to pay it back, but bet he wasn't. And with such little punishment, is it any wonder people do it.
Its about time they stamped down hard on people like this, so that what little money is available is spent on genuine cases. They are the people who suffer most of all from these criminals because it just causes the Govt to cut overall spending on benefits, instead of focusing on where its really needed.
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Sad thing is, if they hit him hard and sentenced him for a term at HM's pleasure.
He still get's 3 meals a day and a plasma tv.
His family will still claim benefits, because of his abscence.
Where does it all end.
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And another one! Just read on the Chesterfield Post website about an old girl who claimed £8,000 in benefits despite the fact she had £86,000 stashed and also owned two properties. >:(
http://bit.ly/zjRG9k (http://bit.ly/zjRG9k)
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One on the radio last week was about a woman claiming disability, but she owned horses and spent her days mucking out and riding. (I think her disability was "depression".......didums)
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Sad thing is, if they hit him hard and sentenced him for a term at HM's pleasure.
He still get's 3 meals a day and a plasma tv.
His family will still claim benefits, because of his abscence.
Where does it all end.
I know this bloke. He's alone now due to his shenanigans. Family better off without him.
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again crap how these people manage to get money
RE: Depression.. why diddums? I and my partner have suffered with it the majority of our lives whilst it doesnt stop me from working on the whole my partner was unable to finish school/college/uni due to this coupled with sleep associated illness. Depression is a very misunderstood illness!
I wonder how this woman with the 85K was unable to get away with it? I mean when you claim benefits they want to know everything you also have to give proof you have nothing to your name so to speak. It pisses me off when there are genuine people needing help then you get people like this taking the piss out of us >:(
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Understand and agree 100% emmz.
I reckon I could get on the sick suffering from depression after a visit to my doc.
Might even be better off.
But to be totally honest, I'd be bored not working.
Just wish I was earning more by working :)
And just for the record, we pay full rent, full council tax, NI and tax, and don't claim 1p in benefits.
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Because depression isn't a disability. We can debate whether or not its an illness, but thats different. And I too suffered with depression some 20 odd years ago when I got divorced, and spent 6 weeks homeless, and the consequences that came with it, still didn't miss work or claim benefits, I just upset a few customers along the way.
If someone is depressed, yes they need help, they don't need to be resigned to a life on benefits.
And then you have to question if someone is genuinely depressed if they spend their days riding their own horses. Not wanting to generalise, but not knowing all the facts, I would guess there are people who may have more pressing reasons for depression.
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honestly i wish i didnt need the help as much as we do, even when i was working i just didnt earn enough to keep us. I worked (before mat leave) 31 hours a week, with that i earned around £600 per month. Consider £390 for rent alone, then there was council tax, bills...food etc.. It just wasnt enough to keep us going and because partner does not work then there was just my wage. hence we needed the help. But they always checked that i was earning what i said i was, if i earned more one month than another i would have to pay back the money we had.
Its pants but it did work out ok.
Apologies if last post seemed a tad harsh i just get a little peeved with people that dont (or seem to write) that they dont fully understand depression, ive lived with parents with it, i am a sufferer you cant *pull* yourself out of it it doesnt work that way, However i would not consider me to be in a position of unable to work. Agree with fly in that i am getting bored of being at home! Working gives you a sense of purpose. It makes you feel like a person. *andddddd chill* :D :D
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Emma, I'm not having a go at you or you family, I'm generalising for the sake of making my point.
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Agree with fly in that i am getting bored of being at home! Working gives you a sense of purpose. It makes you feel like a person. *andddddd chill*
Bang on, nail on head.
If people 'want', to work, let them, and pay them accordingly.
I don't want to work for less than I could be getting on benefits though :(
@K4 We cross posted, I'm sure emmz doesn't think your having a go.
There's always more 'factors' in anything :)
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im not having a go at anyone in particular, just getting my point across from how i see it. As im living a life on benefits i can contribute :) Thing i like about this forum is that i can do just that :D