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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ironsky2 on November 26, 2014, 07:49:24 PM
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When Fusilier Lee Rigby was murdered by the so called Muslims in boarded day light in way that can only be described as barbaric and cowardly it fair to say it made me cry which is very rare thing. Watched the news tonights and read online it would seem that social media is been blamed for not alerting the government over messages posted. I think its a case of pass the book it's impossible to police the Internet 24/7 and read every single post on the Web. M15 had been watching one of the killers for a long time before deciding it wasn't worth there time weather it would have made any difference if they kept watching there supect we will never know?
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Maybe if we stopped invading other countries and killing thousands of men, women and children, they wouldn't be so keen to have a pop at us.
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People would moan about the cost of monitoring suspected terrorists if they knew the costs.
You can't lock someone up for something they haven't yet done.
Maybe if we stopped invading other countries and killing thousands of men, women and children, they wouldn't be so keen to have a pop at us.
I don't think it's all that simple Pete, though I agree with your comment whole heartedly.
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Maybe if we stopped invading other countries and killing thousands of men, women and children, they wouldn't be so keen to have a pop at us.
It's not that straightforward Pete. Islamic terrorists need to be stopped in there tracks unless you want another 9/11 distater.
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Why did the 9/11 disaster happen ironsky ?
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9/11 happened because America keeps invading other countries and killing thousands of men, women and children, usually for oil.
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Isn't this story usually accompanied with a torrent of lies and bullshit by Blair, Bush, WMD
Not by you Pete ;D
To answer the original question, no. It wasn't preventable. IMHO :(
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Why did the 9/11 disaster happen ironsky ?
Saddam didn't play ball with the yanks though Blair could have kept out of it.
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9/11 happened because America keeps invading other countries and killing thousands of men, women and children, usually for oil.
So that justifies for the Americans and British deaths by Islamic terrorist's funded by Saddam over the years it was more than oil at stake here.
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What has Saddam got to do with 9/11 ??
It was Asama Bin Laden that did the Twin Towers apparently.
The good old 'US of A' had already fell out with Suddam.
WMD, sanctions etc since the first Gulf War.
Is it just me that's wrong. Or have people forgot ??
Saddam didn't sanction 9/11
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Afghanistan and Iran, Iraq, :-X are miles apart
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Saddam bank rolled quite a few terrorist groups he wasn't noted for been pro-American. Bin Laden had received money from the Americans in government deals which he then used to buy weapons to fight against the Americans.
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It's not just me then. They were seperate incidents.
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Afghanistan and Iran, Iraq, :-X are miles apart
I was in Iraq goodbye..
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I don't think the forces can be completely protected over here from this kind of thing.
This was a very unfortunate incident which sadly cost the life of Lee, how can 'all of them' be protected around the clock even with a for warning on the net?
We are supposed to be a 'free country' to move around as we wish.
The murdering bullies shouldn't be allowed to win by our authorities by containing where and when our forces people can go.
Maybe a tightening up of who come into our country and eradicating others back to where they came from would help.
This may sound odd, but I feel sad for the Muslims living in this country who are decent people and do not agree with this - what shame they must feel about others who are worse than animals and Muslim.
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I don't think the forces can be completely protected over here from this kind of thing.
This was a very unfortunate incident which sadly cost the life of Lee, how can 'all of them' be protected around the clock even with a for warning on the net?
We are supposed to be a 'free country' to move around as we wish.
The murdering bullies shouldn't be allowed to win by our authorities by containing where and when our forces people can go.
Maybe a tightening up of who come into our country and eradicating others back to where they came from would help.
This may sound odd, but I feel sad for the Muslims living in this country who are decent people and do not agree with this - what shame they must feel about others who are worse than animals and Muslim.
I have no sympathy for Muslims nor a fan of them !
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What, all of them?
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'You' posted that comment ironsky2 !
I'll leave it where it is so people can see it. It's not a view I, or the forum, share. MD
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Fly: define the word 'forum'?
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'You' posted that comment ironsky2 !
I'll leave it where it is so people can see it. It's not a view I, or the forum, share. MD
No skin off my nose Fly but everyone has the right of opinion good or bad .
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What, all of them?
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@JR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum)
@ ironsky: I found the comment a bit out of the norm.
If you think I'm wrong then fine. I stand corrected. I'm only human ;)
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This forum like any other Internet forum is a place of debate and discussion ( with in reason) everyone has different opinions on different subjects there are bound to be times we don't agree on things but that makes it interesting. I often see Pete posting about his dislike of the Tory party some will agree with him others not or his posts on American political system sometimes I agree with what's been said others not but respect his rights to have that view point. We will leave it at that. I really do hope the Lee Rigby murder was a one off no one should die like that but its difficult to prevent such actions by such driven people.
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@JR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum)
Lol
My query was were you saying that all members of the forum shared your view? Or all the mods?
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What, all of them?
I guess it's "lucky" we have no Muslim membership (as far as I know) on this forum. Personally, I wish we did >:(
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I can identify with ironsky's comments, although I don't share them as there are good and bad in every religion, also I was involved at one time with a lovely muslim family for my work. We all got on very well.
When I say I can identify with ironsky's statement I meant that my late father had a deep dislike for all Jews. This stemmed from his time spent overseas in the second WW. I think my fathers experiences and encounters went very deep and he just couldn't forgive for what he and his comrades went through.
My grandfather also had a complete dislike for the Irish, I never did know why as this for him was totally out of character, he was such a kind mild mannered and quiet person. I can only surmise it was because of what was happening in Ireland at that time.
Ironsky has told us he was in Iraq we know how bad that was for our men/women. We as civvies won't have a clue and can only guess.
Sometimes things happen and the hurt and anger go very deep.
Maybe this why ironsky feels this way.
Sorry ironsky, I'm just guessing on your behalf.
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The issue becomes even more confusing when they start fighting amongst themselves.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30250950
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Only preventable if we didn't get ourselves a reputation as a soft touch country.
How long did it take to do anything about the hook handed preacher spouting hatred for years on end.
Were too reactive rather than proactive.
I doubt these people went straight from example citizens to killing in the street. But not until after the sh*t hit the fan did anyone start asking questions. Probably to afraid of being branded racist to do anything. Just like the Rotherham child abuse cases. To afraid of the PC rule to say or do anything before its too late.
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I have no sympathy for Muslims nor a fan of them !
I stand corrected. I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. They must have witnessed stuff we cant even imagine. Some say it goes with the job, but its not like a 9 to 5 job where you leave work problems in the workplace. Some memories can't be eradicated just like that.
Its not everyone's opinion, but I understand why you said what you said. :-[
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I stand corrected. I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. They must have witnessed stuff we cant even imagine. Some say it goes with the job, but its not like a 9 to 5 job where you leave work problems in the workplace. Some memories can't be eradicated just like that.
Its not everyone's opinion, but I understand why you said what you said. :-[
Sounds as if we are on similar wave lengths then scimitar. (y)
The people who lived horrors of war are going to have possibly some strong and maybe as we see it 'negative' thoughts/feelings.
Wonder how we would be after a stint in a place like Iraq.
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Only preventable if we didn't get ourselves a reputation as a soft touch country.
How long did it take to do anything about the hook handed preacher spouting hatred for years on end.
Were too reactive rather than proactive.
I doubt these people went straight from example citizens to killing in the street. But not until after the sh*t hit the fan did anyone start asking questions. Probably to afraid of being branded racist to do anything. Just like the Rotherham child abuse cases. To afraid of the PC rule to say or do anything before its too late.
it's not a case of being too afraid more of being hamstrung by the law. We tried to deport Abdul Hamza (you could have googled it) but were prevented from doing so by the ECHR. Racism has nothing to do with it.