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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Fly on February 10, 2012, 07:37:08 PM
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Took a customer home today, lives in Hasland, that's all I'm saying.
Apparently the Land owner over the road has shot 20 in the last 3 month.
Now Mr Slack will hate me for this.
How many fox hunts in Hasland have killed/slaughtered 20 foxes in the last 3 month ?
If they had the right to, obviously.
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Saw one in Nottingham the other year, not kidding, it was the size of an Alsatian :)
Oy! Taking my (user) name in vain!!! >:(
Seriously, when I had our dog I used to see a fair few foxes around when I took her for a walk at night-time.
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I don't think it's unusual for farmers to shoot foxes - they eat their chickens. Have seen quite a few on the run across from home to matlock. We also had one which began visiting our back garden - quite scary as we have a cat - I didn't want him to become lunch for the fox - not seen it for ages now though thank goodness.
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It's a very touchy subject OC.
It's ok to shoot them, but fox hunting, by dog, horse, is banned.
I've had a drinky, and calling it a day.
Don't think it will affect my oppinion though.
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We have loads of them around here. My son found a dead one in his garden when he returned from holiday last week.
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I.m not for killing foxes but understand why the farmers do. Certainly do NOT agree with fox hunting though terrible thing to put any living creature through - they probably the type of person who would pull the legs off daddylong legs!
Cull if they must but in a proper humane way is my opinion.
Fly - drink or not your opinion was 'sound'
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Last year we set off on our hols driving to the airport about 3.00am and we saw a few of them on the roads around Poolsbrook park. As I've mentioned before, we have chickens, and so far, not had any problems with foxes coming in the garden but I know other people who have lost chickens to foxes.
Which begs the question, whats the difference between a fox hunting a chicken and a dog hunting a fox. There isn't one really, its part of nature. And as for the man on the horse half a mile over the hill, from the foxes perspective, he's not a factor.
I have no strong views either way about fox-hunting, I'm not interested in it, and it has no bearing on my life. But as Constant Readers ought to know, I do so hate political hypocrisy, and this is the perfect example.
You could argue foxhunting is cruel, but then isn't fishing. A man catches a fish by sticking a hook through its mouth, then drags it out of the water where it almost suffocates, hangs it from the mouth to be weighed, throws it in a net so it can't escape, then at the end of the day, lets it go again, so that he can do it again the next day. Why is that not cruel, and if it is, why did Labour not ban recreational fishing. If any politician had the balls enough to be honest to the electorate, they would tell us that fox-hunting was banned because its seen as being done by toffs, but fishing is done by the common man. Nothing to do with cruelty, and everything to do with the politics of envy and class war.
The only solution I can see is to replace fox-hunting with politician hunting, much more justifiable.
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Well, for a start off the men and women on horses have brought up to 70 dogs to a place where they can chase one fox.
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My late father used to own a Lurcher dog. Fastest thing on four legs I'd ever seen run.
We used to take him for early morning walks. I'm going back 20 years here.
Lurchers have a born instinct to chase rabbits, so did our Blue.
A few times a year he'd actually catch a rabbit, he'd either kill the rabbit or pin it to the floor.
The rabbits would be taken home and put into stews.
If fox hunting had been put to the public vote, ban, yes or no. I'd have voted no.
I'd have felt hypocritical to myself to vote yes.
Our_Lass fishes, yet is against fox hunting.
Her angst against it, is that the pack of hounds kill 'anything' they find.
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Foxes kill chickens to eat - it's survival, fox hunting isn't survival for the dogs - is it.
Fishing not that's another 'angle' (sorry) ;) :D
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Foxes will kill all the chickens, but not eat them all :(
As I said earlier though, fox hunting is banned now.
I'm not saying it should be 'un-banned'
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Foxes will kill all the chickens, but not eat them all :(
As I said earlier though, fox hunting is banned now.
I'm not saying it should be 'un-banned'
Maybe a More Humane 'Squad' be set up to Hunt and cull them
is needed, given that Foxes are Hunting in Urban Areas, and
are now a threat to Pets as well as Humans... the Latter of which
is well Documented.
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To be chased to exhaustion and ripped to to shreds must be the worst possible way to die.
Don't let hunters tell you it is for effective countryside management, it is just for sadistic pleasure. It is known that some hunts encourage breeding. If they do it for the thrill of the chase they could use muzzled hounds.
The Tory argument to legalise it because it is expensive to police is pathetic. Did they say legalise rioting? No, they fast tracked offenders through courts often with penalties that far exceeded what they had done as a deterrent to others.
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What kind of people enjoy this sport anyway????? >:(
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>> What kind of people enjoy this sport anyway?
Sadistic, arrogant morons is my best guess... >:(
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What kind of people enjoy this sport anyway????? >:(
The rich,upper class toffee nosed Hooray Henry, chinless wonders who think it is " sport " to hunt down a fox and tear it to pieces for fun. And the thrill of the chase apparently.
I can understand very easily the farmers right to protect his livestock from Foxes, and even dogs for that matter.
There is a regular presence of a fox family at Stonegravels bus depot - the engineering dept sometime in the past I was told put dog food out for them. I have seen them myself. One came trotting past me the other week in the dark unaware that I was there.
Generally I don't see what harm they do, in an urban environment. They are scavenging for food - simple. Town centres are full of half eaten discarded pizzas etc in the early mornings after the revellers have finally gone home.
I dont agree with the bloodsport though.
Have foxes numbers dramatically increased since the hunting ban? I guess not, but don't know for sure.
Tally Ho Chaps!
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Although the people who run the hunts are well off it would be a mistake to assume that all the followers are.
Foxes will kill birds, but then again so do cats. This is nature. Human beings are supposed to have evolved beyond this.
It's up to farmers to secure their pens from wild animals, though I suppose a few bullets cost less than a good fence.
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Some of the posts on here perfectly demonsrtate my point. Nothing to do with cruelty, and all to do with the "sports of toffee nosed toffs", and no-one thinks fishing is cruel.?
Either sheer hypocrisy or outright dishonesty in my view. I've nothing against anyone having a view against toffs, but don't pretend you care about the foxes!
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The foxes got torn to shreds by a pack of hounds :(
Read this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204012/Famous-British-carp-dies-Anglers-mourn-Benson-lord-lakes.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204012/Famous-British-carp-dies-Anglers-mourn-Benson-lord-lakes.html)
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The topic is actually urban foxes - but as you ask - yes I do think fishing is cruel and scary for the fish. One of my most upsetting times was during a holiday we went out on a small boat --- I didn't realise it was to fish. We were given lines to dangle over the sides as the boat circled round. Seeing the caught fish struggling for their last breath on the ships deck really upset me --- I would never go again! :'(
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I contemplated asking Kent if I could rename and move this topic.
I confess I think it was me that drifted off topic.
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Topic split. Sorry ;)
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Fly, I've PMed you.
:P
Edit by Fly: Wow. Never got a PM from a mod on here 8)
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Another famous carp. 45 years old, and caught about 50 times.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3098314/Legendary-carp-carks-it-aged-45.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3098314/Legendary-carp-carks-it-aged-45.html)
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Some of the posts on here perfectly demonsrtate my point. Nothing to do with cruelty, and all to do with the "sports of toffee nosed toffs", and no-one thinks fishing is cruel.?
Either sheer hypocrisy or outright dishonesty in my view. I've nothing against anyone having a view against toffs, but don't pretend you care about the foxes!
When is the last time you ate Fish & Chips.
I dont fish - cant understand why people do apart from the relaxation, but is fishing as a sport crueller than wholesale fishing when they are dragged up in nets in their hundreds and then die to be later eaten by you and me?
Is this more humane than fishing? At least some of them get thrown back.
Nature is cruel by definition - the survival of the fittest all the way through the food chain.
Hypocritically we all eat food which is slaughtered one way or another to keep our bellies full.
Me too. Just had a roast beef dinner. The Cow was lovely thanks.
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>> Nature is cruel by definition - the survival of the fittest all the way through the food chain.
Nail on the head Scimitar.
Just to add to the general overview... When kids go on their first hunt they often get initiated by "blooding", where the huntsman smears blood of a fresh killed fox on the child's forehead or cheeks.
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I contemplated asking Kent if I could rename and move this topic.
I confess I think it was me that drifted off topic.
Totally confused me ther when i logged in ;D --- doesn't take much ;)
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Fly, I've PMed you.
:P
Edit by Fly: Wow. Never got a PM from a mod on here 8)
Blue eyed boy eh ;D errr unless your a girl ;D
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k4Blades --- it's more the 'way' foxes are run down and torn apart whilst still living which most people would find difficult - nat instigated by nature - but humans (well they think they are)
I ate pig today and yes that was lovely as well --- did won't cow - but couldn't be bothered to dig to the bottom of the freezer
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Some of the posts on here perfectly demonsrtate my point. Nothing to do with cruelty, and all to do with the "sports of toffee nosed toffs", and no-one thinks fishing is cruel.?
Either sheer hypocrisy or outright dishonesty in my view. I've nothing against anyone having a view against toffs, but don't pretend you care about the foxes!
As I said many ordinary working class people follow hunting. I'm not make a class issue of it but on a party political point of view the statistics showed for themselves that virtually all the MPs against the repeal were Labour or LibDem (signatures on EDMs don't lie.)
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2010-12/116 (http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2010-12/116)
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I'm not make a class issue of it but...
Go on Andy, tell 'em like it is. :)
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I quoted the comment from K4 not from your good self
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I contemplated asking Kent if I could rename and move this topic.
I confess I think it was me that drifted off topic.
No Worries Barry.
K4Blades - ' but don't pretend you care about the foxes! '
Good Point