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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Fly on June 24, 2016, 06:48:48 AM
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Heres to the start of a new chapter for the UK (y)
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Thank you Britain ;D Cameron set resign by October.
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What happened with Boris????
We were told he was due to come and and speak - shortly.
After an hour apparently he came out minus speech and buggered orf I believe.
I had given up by this time, somewhere to be but hubby was waiting?????????
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Its been a eventful day first the Britex victory, Cameron stepping down as Prime Minster. Not wanting to be left the SNP are likely to want a second independence vote soon the EU want us out now someone in London wants to make London a city state and the pound fell on the stock market Labour have decided they want a new leader . Its fair to say Britain going to change despite the voices of doom we are a strong people their will tears and highs along this journey think positive and give it time.
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Not forgetting Jeremy Corbyn has been handed a vote of 'No Confidence'
Is that -
A because he's a crap leader - always has been IMHO
B The party are expecting an early election and want a stronger leader in place to help them win seats??
Oh ---- and Tesco's Petrol pumps were choca - is fuel expected to go up???????
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A Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.
Not my post - I copied it to be honest but sums up my thoughts (y)
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pleased you shared that though scimitar as it puts things a bit clearer for thicko's like me.
Cameroon's resignation in the morning then lost touch with most of the news after that only picking up highlights.
Lots of changes ahead for us all then.
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One I've copied.
So in the same Day Britain decides to leave the EU.
Boeing decides to station it's European base in the UK.
The German treasury minister 'invites' UK to be an associate member.
USA changes its tune and says no change in special relationship
David Cameron resigns
Talk of political change and the end of the two useless parties we currently have.
Bank of England has reserves of £250 billion set aside for the potential time of uncertainty.
Euro still at €1.22 to the pound it was before the vote.
And people thought the sky was about to fall in
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Yes fly and to the people who want another vote just get over it - your vote didn't get you to stay in lets just get on with it now eh.
Just like the mardy football fans shouting 'foul' when the other side scores a winning goal zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Some of the name calling by the IN crew has been downright rude I think OC :(
People in glass houses etc ::)
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I was tired of listening to the campaigning about the one we just voted for - heaven for bid we should have another!!
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I think the last vote was enough for most if it had gone on much longer it could have got a lot more nasty than it was. Leave won the day time to move on and get struck in.
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Of course you know they will get the decision over turned don't you? >:(............ Money talks..........it always has and always will!
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Of course you know they will get the decision over turned don't you? >:(............ Money talks..........it always has and always will!
And then undermines the electorates will , we the people have been given the choice we voted leave to go against that would risk civil break drown or civil war. I noticed the MPs who are stiring this idea are super rich or London based. This morning George Osborne has reappeared and has gaven a non speech in hope to keep the markets happy the fact is Cameron needs to go now along with Osborne if both unwilling to kick start Article 50. We need an General Election stag is The Tories don't have a leader as such Labour party is falling apart the Liberals leader clearly doesn't listen to the electorate the only thing left as a stop gap is to form a cross party provisional government to stabilise things in the mean time.
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Yes I didn't say there wouldn't be trouble, but I still think they will find a way to keep us in the EU. That's why Cameron has not invoked article 50 immediately as he said he would if there was a leave vote.
Read this from the Guardian:- If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this.
When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was “never”. When Michael Gove went on and on about “informal negotiations” ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
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If this EU referendum is nothing more than a political game it is a very dangerous game to play. People will not trust or believe any MP again theirs a real danger people will refuse to vote again on anything or elections, Britain will look a real fool on the international politics stage no country in Europe or the rest of the world will trust us how can they? Merkel is wanting to push on but is held back by Cameron again damaging relations with Europe even more. Has any political leader thought that this referendum though or is this been simply a Boris and Dave bitter rivalry that seems from their Eaton days?
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It's not doing Jeremy Corbyn any favours either is it. They want him out - his own party members and he says he's not budging.
How he got in there in the first place I don't know as it was obvious he would never be much good.
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Cameron has accepted the situation for what its for and will help deal with our negotiations of of the EU.Invoking Article 50 may come some time after a new Tory leader who will have a very tough job - let's face it Cameron doesn't want to see it through - he can see the pitfalls ahead.Whoever takes that on will be a brave man.
Labour is collapsing as we speak with no confidence in Corbyn - our own Toby has resigned.
Farage claims that Ukip could be the "new" Labour Party. I can't see that happening. Ukip hasn't got that much support despite Mr Farage's eloquence and undoubted success in persuading people to vote against Remain, yet at odds with Boris & co.
I just hope all parties pull together on this one because its paramount in terms of our future - minus the shackles of the EU - which we are still in of course, but Camerons "deals" earlier are now null & void.
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What a tangled web of lies and broken dreams we have. My own feelings on this referendum it was toxic right from the start the fall out has started it has turned people against one another who ever ends up been the Prime Minster will not have it easy its no win situation . Labour is tearing itself apart and its good captain Jemery is set go down with his ship. Cameron will be laughing all the way to bank the counties problems are no longer his worries and be able to watch the drama unfold as Boris his old rival carries the can on failing to deliver the dream of Britexit . I can see old wounds reopen on subjects like Ulster endangering the peace their and Scotland going in circles on independence with SNP losing support as the Scots get tired of it all. IV never like Cameron but I give him this he knows what hes doing he has fallen from power yes but he got one on Boris !
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Has the new Tory leader already been chosen?
Listening to Camerons speech I was sure he said 'he' in referral to his successor? Or are there no female contenders for his job?
I have to disagree with you on the fact that Jermey Corbyn is a 'good Captain' WCT.
I reckon he is weak, can't remember what he's supposed to be saying and carries little conviction when he does say anything.
Actually when I ponder on this - the strongest he has been is now - as he tries to keep his job!
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Will Britain leave the EU ? - no . No one will want to trigger article 50 no one wants to take the rap for when it all goes wrong on the trading negotiations. The question should be why did Cameron want a referendum he could have won the 2015 General Election as Labour didn't have much support and the City of London was not keen on Ed Milliband and remain Prime Minster until 2020? The answer could be he wanted to challenge UKIP and Eurospetics in his own party on the EU he really thought that by holding a referendum he would silence them for good he could claim the people supported the EU and their views on Europe were unfounded clearly the vote showed otherwise. He took a gamble and lost in one sense but in another he's won as no one wants to make that speech and rock the markets further, Britex won yes but its turning into a hollow victory which I've said before will damage the electorates views on our political system. As for Corbyn my comment was based on the fact he's going down with his ship his leadership is ending as his party have realised they will never win any seats with him as leader it seems despite been a left wing party they want a right wing leader which they hope will appeal to the middle class voter which is at odds with what Labour party members voted for in 2015 its a paradox of politics .
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Engine Driver is absolutely bang on! Perhaps we need to have another try to see the electorate can get it right.
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Engine Driver is absolutely bang on! Perhaps we need to have another try to see the electorate can get it right.
What makes you think they got it wrong?
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Best of three perhaps :)) :))
We've moved on - the Pound is stabilising as well as the FTSE.
p.s we have not left yet ::)
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Best of three perhaps :)) :))
We've moved on - the Pound is stabilising as well as the FTSE.
p.s we have not left yet ::)
No - neither has Jeremy Corbyn lol
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Just as a point of interest I voted LEAVE! :) I would still vote LEAVE if we have another go! I just don't think that it will happen though :(
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Agree with you engine driver ( I am Train ;) )
What's the point in voting again - have many changed their minds on this?
We suffered all the un-truths by both sides but did any of them tell us both parties would be in disarray? - and Farage - he's a bloody embarrassment to the UK - spouting off in the EU yesterday, he's so unprofessional!
Whilst I'm not a Cameron fan he can and does remain professional.
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Agree with you engine driver ( I am Train ;) )
BAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :)) 8) :P
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BAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :)) 8) :P
:)) Yes exactly - you do it so well fly ;)
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If it wasn't for Farage there would have been no referendum!
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If it wasn't for Farage there would have been no referendum!
Thought that was Cameron?
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In the run up to the last election Ukip & Farage were banging on about a referendum on the EU, no doubt to try & win votes. Cameron adopted it and put it in his election manifesto - to try & win votes hoping that it would never come to fruition. But, obviously - it did. Fast forward to where we are now.
That's how I remember it.
No doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong :))
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Engine Driver is absolutely bang on! Perhaps we need to have another try to see the electorate can get it right.
No thanks once is enough
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Best out of three even!
No - it's done and we get on with it (y)
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Your'e spot there Cameron just added it to his manifesto to get a few more votes never thinking it would come back and bite him in the ass
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Your'e spot there Cameron just added it to his manifesto to get a few more votes never thinking it would come back and bite him in the ass
Well I for one am pleased it has, but suppose whoever takes his place will be just as bad -
Meanwhile Nigel Farage tells us he is standing down one his time is up - wants the goods but not the work entailed after maybe??