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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: Old Cruser on March 07, 2017, 01:27:45 PM
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I've just had this email from DCC
Brilliant - always something to delay us.
Think I will be using the scenic route. ::)
Work to replace traffic lights outside a Chesterfield leisure park is set to start next week.
Traffic lights on the A61 outside the town's Alma Leisure Park, which sites a cinema and several restaurants, are being upgraded by us.
The work is essential as the current lights are reaching their sell-by date and is also part of wider work to improve road conditions and help manage congestion along Derby Road.
The current signals will be replaced with LED lights and extra low voltage technology which will help reduce energy costs.
Work is set to start at 8am, on Monday 13 March 2017, and is expected to take around six weeks.
The work has been planned to avoid the need for temporary traffic lights. Diversions will be in force around the clock and traffic will not be allowed to turn right into or out of the leisure park.
A temporary crossing will be in place near to the entrance to the park for pedestrians.
And diversion signs will be in place. For traffic wanting to turn right into the leisure park the alternative route will be via Hornsbridge Roundabout.
Traffic turning left out of the leisure park will be diverted via the A61 southbound, Baden Powell Road, Redvers Buller Road, before rejoining the A61 northbound.
Our Cabinet Member for Highways, Transport and Infrastructure Councillor Dean Collins, said:
"Every effort will be made to keep disruption to a minimum but unfortunately this work is likely to cause delays so motorists are advised to allow extra time for their journeys."
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Can't wait >:(
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Can't wait >:(
Go the scenic route ;)
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Go the scenic route
Like everybody else ::)
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I must admit I just cannot understand why Redvers Buller Road and the one opposite Screwfix are having loads of money spent on them.Originally I thought they were both being blocked off to stop them being used as rat runs but that does not appear to be the case
Redvers Buller just seems to have had work done at the junction with Derby Road which took about three weeks and on top of that they managed to fracture a water main.
Maybe its because its March and they have not spent all their budget.Is there another reason?
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Those roads are having pedestrian priority measures put in place. If you want to turn off the main Derby Rd onto one of those roads, you must wait until any pedestrians have finished crossing, or you must wait and give way to people who want to cross. Same if you are coming down one of the roads. Pedestrians have priority.
What an absolute fantastic idea. Wish I'd thought of it.
I could have a job in an office at Matlock and never drive around Chesterfield LOL (y)
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To be honest stopping folk turning right at those lights into the retail park is not the worst idea in the world. Quite often the number of cars turning right is to much for the small bit of right turn lane and it causes issues for folk just wanting to go straight on. That said the design of the retail park is garbage as well with it not able to cope with the number of cars it gets at really busy times. I used to be a member of the gym when it was Cannons and you could have great fun watching folk fall out and near misses as all the normal roundabout rules went out the window as folk tried to get in and out.
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To be honest stopping folk turning right at those lights into the retail park is not the worst idea in the world. Quite often the number of cars turning right is to much for the small bit of right turn lane and it causes issues for folk just wanting to go straight on. That said the design of the retail park is garbage as well with it not able to cope with the number of cars it gets at really busy times. I used to be a member of the gym when it was Cannons and you could have great fun watching folk fall out and near misses as all the normal roundabout rules went out the window as folk tried to get in and out.
I agree with you bransoj, the whole lay out of that area was ill thought out, I have had problems turning right onto the complex. Also getting stuck on the middle of the roundabout when the traffic comes to a sudden full stop. Other vehicles speeding past the back of me, isn't pleasant. also the sun catches the McD's window as you travel out of town - it's blinding at times.
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Go the scenic route ;)
In a Bus? That will go down well I'm sure :D
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In a Bus? That will go down well I'm sure :D
If I were in your bus and you went the scenic route - I would love it ! :)
many wouldn't though eh ;)
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The Bosses in particular :P
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The Bosses in particular :P
I was thinking more of the people left standing at bus stops you missed - sod the bosses ;)
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Sod the Bosses too - My Passengers come first :P
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Sod the Bosses too - My Passengers come first :P
Well said !!. I've had two experiences with bus drivers this week, the first was for me unusual.
I stopped to let a bus out of the a pull in on Derby Road, driver of the vehicle at the back didn't like it and told me so by pressing his horn. The bus pulled out and I followed. Bus then pulls into another pull in - gives me a thumbs up - and the vehicle behind Thumbs down - never seen that before ;)
Second, one irritated driver with me because I needed to check if a vulnerable adult I was expecting was sat on his bus. I was concerned as they should have been. Driver was even more irritated when I asked if there was another bus following soon ( just wondering if one was delayed for some reason ).
Driver must have had a bad day ::)
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Most bus drivers will thank you for letting them pull out - be it a thumbs up or a quick flash of the hazards. We really do appreciate it because some drivers see us as an obstacle that has to be beaten by whatever means possible. I've been "brake tested" by a Golf GT pulling away from Jawbones Hill (Tesco) on a blind bend just for the temerity of pulling out of a bus stop.
As for your other observation regarding buses running on time or not - I, for example, would only know if the bus in front of me was running late should I catch up or indeed overtake it! Obviously I would know if I was running late - but I would not know how near the next bus was behind me until it was visible in my mirrors!
We do not have radio contact with our depot, but our ticket machines can receive messages from our illustrious Gods at Stonegravels :D
A couple of days ago we were diverted between Clay Cross to Danesmoor (and back) because of a RTA on our normal route - so we had to go via Coney Green in both directions, the instructions coming by way of the ticket machine.
The messages that come this way can't be read until the bus is parked with the handbrake on for obvious reasons.
I hope this enlightens you somewhat ;)
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It does scimitar thanks. I've had the thank you lights and thumbs up but it made me smile when the driver behind got the thumbs down.
It was more the drivers irritation when I asked that I noticed.
TBH I was very concerned when this person wasn't on the bus.
The driver could have been politer in his response I thought, but as I said had probably had a bad day.
Ticket machine updates eh ------ whatever next ! :)
PS I think the road works start on Monday --- good luck !
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Derby Rd will be out of my zone from now until Friday night next week. ;D
No doubt it will catch up with me thereafter ::)
Meanwhile - take a deep breath and relax ;D
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Up Boythorpe Road and round Grangewood or down St Augustines for me.
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Up Boythorpe Road and round Grangewood or down St Augustines for me.
Wingerworth, Grangewood and head up past West Street to go to Newbold.
Bug bare bug bare will be the roundabout as I get through Grangewood ( Walton )
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I live in Newbold and quite often go round Grangewood if its busy.I reckon it doesn'ttake much longer because the number of times I have stood at the lights at the end of Storfotth Lane and they have sometimes changed two and three times and I have not moved an inch.When you sit there it is surprising just how much traffic comes down Storforth Lane and turns right towards town.
It is there and the lights at the bottom of St.Augustines that are the problem as once you are through them you are soon at Horns Bridge.
How you can do something about it I have no idea.
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Hit the nail on the head there Umpire!
Traffic from Storforth Lane on to Derby Rd - loads of time at traffic lights - and they concertina into the yellow box junction.
Yet the opposing lights let fewer traffic through?
You would think Derby Rd would have the priority as it is the main artery into Chesterfield?!?
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Do they filter depending of the time of day as sometimes they change quicker than others?
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When I do come down Derby Road to the lights at St.Augustines whether its my imagination or not but there always seems to be more cars get out of that road than there does when the lights are on green on Derby Road.
I suspect they give priority to St Augustines Road but if someone wants to go and stand there with a stop watch and prove me wrong they are welcome. :-* ;) ;)
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When I do come down Derby Road to the lights at St.Augustines whether its my imagination or not but there always seems to be more cars get out of that road than there does when the lights are on green on Derby Road.
I suspect they give priority to St Augustines Road but if someone wants to go and stand there with a stop watch and prove me wrong they are welcome. :-* ;) ;)
Some I think sneak through on red !!
I can only go on different times of day when lights seem to let more through than other times.
I'll let the professional drivers either advice or do the stop watch test Umpire. MD :))
Meanwhile it's D Day at the Cineworld lights !!
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For info the work to change the traffic lights by Alma Leisure Park has been delayed...
@Derbyshirecc 9m9 minutes ago
Work to replace traffic lights on the A61 outside Chesterfield’s Alma Leisure Park will not now begin until Thursday. 1/2
@Derbyshirecc 9m9 minutes ago
Road restrictions, which were due to start today, will not now be in place until then. The work is expected to take six weeks. 2/2
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Having seen the 'finished' work on the end of Redvers Buller, and Lord Roberts Roads, I don't think the idea will work.
Cars are not going to give way to pedestrians and cyclists :-X
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I had a walk down Derby Road today while the other half was swimming at Queens Park.They are now doing something similar at the road which runs behind Jawbones Hill.I am sorry but they must have money to burn .There were four big white vans and six men plus all the big machinery.Further down opposite Screwfix a similar number still tarmacing etc.
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Having seen the 'finished' work on the end of Redvers Buller, and Lord Roberts Roads, I don't think the idea will work.
Cars are not going to give way to pedestrians and cyclists :-X
Agreed- seems a huge waste of finances for something that is not going to stop the rush hour rat run - surely a simple zebra crossing would have been safer & simpler :o
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Too easy mate ::)
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Need to spend the Tax payers money and then put it up by 4% :(
Anyway thanks for the tip off bransoj (y), plans changed for tomorrow - again, but Thursday I will be on the scenic route!!
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A little bit more useless information.We came down Derby Road this afternoon and counting under my breath I reckon the lights on Derby Road at the junction with St Augustines stayed on green on the main road for approximately one minute.
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A little bit more useless information.We came down Derby Road this afternoon and counting under my breath I reckon the lights on Derby Road at the junction with St Augustines stayed on green on the main road for approximately one minute.
Now then Umpire - you have started something because I use that route frequently and will now be counting minutes whilst at the lights at different times of the day !! ;D
That will be my route today as I believe the work on lights begins!!
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Silly me I made a big mistake this evening.I left home about 5pm to go to Hasland and decided to risk the by pass from Tesco to Horns Bridge.The Tesco roundabout was gridlocked with traffic queueing to get to Whittington Moor Roundabout..Once on the by pass I got about 50yards and there were both lanes stood going towards Horns Bridge.I finally made it to Hasland 50 minutes later.
My brother in law is servicing and getting the car Mot tomorrow so I left it with him.I walked it back to Newbold and it took me exactly time as it did to drive there.
I should have done what I said in an earlier post.
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Silly me I made a big mistake this evening.I left home about 5pm to go to Hasland and decided to risk the by pass from Tesco to Horns Bridge.The Tesco roundabout was gridlocked with traffic queueing to get to Whittington Moor Roundabout..Once on the by pass I got about 50yards and there were both lanes stood going towards Horns Bridge.I finally made it to Hasland 50 minutes later.
My brother in law is servicing and getting the car Mot tomorrow so I left it with him.I walked it back to Newbold and it took me exactly time as it did to drive there.
I should have done what I said in an earlier post.
Tch Tch - how could you - :))
I went the scenic route but will miss Wingerworth next trip as the children are going in/out of school, will come off Derby Road and go via Grangewood.
PS I tried counting the minutes but car passengers kept talking to me :-X Failed miserably - next time though --- next time :))
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Dropped a customer off on Herriot Drive today, first left after the cinema going up Derby Rd. I went via St Marys Gate, Markham Rd, Park Rd, Baden Powell Rd, but that's another story ;)
On leaving Herriot Drive and turning right back towards Horns Bridge roundabout, I noticed the new road/pavement markings on the junction of Trevorrow Crescent/Derby Rd. If you're travelling by foot or on the cycle lane up or down Derby Rd, there's 'Give Way' markings on the pavement ;D :D 8) :)) :P
So who has got the right of way LOL ::) :-*
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Well fly put it like this. If you were walking on there and a bicycle came towards you at speed - would you stand your ground to see if the cyclist gave way - :-? :))
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I didn't word that very good. The give way markings are on the pavement edges so cyclists 'and' pedestrians give way to traffic.
Defeats the object of what the work was done for doesn't it ?
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Since when did a cyclist obey any traffic rules >:(
Dons hat and runs for cover ::)
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I cycled thousands of miles up until the age of about 16. I know all the tricks in the book LOL
Probably why I'm a taxi driver now ::)
Makes me laugh when I see some of the stories involving cyclists. They all appear to be so squeaky clean :-X
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I cycled thousands of miles up until the age of about 16. I know all the tricks in the book LOL
Probably why I'm a taxi driver now ::)
Makes me laugh when I see some of the stories involving cyclists. They all appear to be so squeaky clean :-X
Such as wobbling about and preventing driver at the back from overtaking. ::) - Just saying :-*
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Today at junction of Derby Rd & Storforth lane I almost saw a cyclist come to grief. He was undertaking cars in the left hand lane whilst one of the cars wanted to turn left onto storforth lane - the cyclist wanted to go straight up Derby Rd :o Luckily the cyclist stopped in time because the car driver clearly didn't see him.
To be fair to the cyclist, the car driver did not indicate he was turning left.
THAT'S ANOTHER BLOODY ISSUE - INDICATORS!!
I'm going for a lie down........... ::)
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I agree.I would say that well over fifty per cent of vehicles do not indicate when exiting a roundabout.I think they are scared of draining their battery.
A couple of years ago a mate of mine was pulled up after coming through the Tupton/Wingerworth roundabout on the A61 and the copper asked him if his indicators were working as he had not used them exiting the roundabout.Suffice it to say he uses them all the time now as he told him if he caught him again he would get a ticket.
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Well said Umpire.
My take is that some drivers are too lazy to bother with indicators at roundabouts, or deliberately choose not to use them, because they want priority whatever the right of way is.
A deliberate action in order to deny other road users access.
That's just one small observation from me as a professional driver (Bus) since 2005.
I could go on & on but there is no point on here - it needs a wider audience.
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Today at junction of Derby Rd & Storforth lane I almost saw a cyclist come to grief. He was undertaking cars in the left hand lane whilst one of the cars wanted to turn left onto storforth lane - the cyclist wanted to go straight up Derby Rd :o Luckily the cyclist stopped in time because the car driver clearly didn't see him.
To be fair to the cyclist, the car driver did not indicate he was turning left.
THAT'S ANOTHER BLOODY ISSUE - INDICATORS!!
I'm going for a lie down........... ::)
Whilst i agree the lack of indicators is poor should the cyclist be taking more care and not just making assumptions as he undertakes the traffic fully aware there is a left turn ahead? I was once parked in Matalan car park nipping to Lambrellis to get some lunch with both lanes queuing up to the lights on the roundabout. In the lane nearest Lambrellis was a big truck and i crossed over the road in front of the car and truck in the two lanes. As i got to the far side of the truck by the cars parked in front of the shops a motorbike came up between the two and skidded into me. Somehow, i still dine out on the fact, the bike bounced off me and the only thing to end up on the floor was the bike and rider. As he got up to have a go at me i suggested we contact the police to see who was at fault seeing as he came up undertaking vehicles at which point he got on his bike and took off again undertaking his way to the roundabout. He had no awareness for the fact he was coming up blind and what could happen anywhere on that stretch of road.
As for cyclists i see it from both sides as i often bike to work along Chatsworth Rd from Brookside and over to Old Rd. You get cars\trucks not giving you a lot of room but on both sides its a minority of drivers\riders that cause the grief between the two groups. Whilst heading to the Lakes on Friday we were sat at traffic lights with two lanes of traffic waiting to go straight on when a cyclist came flying between the two lanes, through the lights on red at a major crossroads never checking what could be coming from either side, over to the far side of the road and up a side street across the front of an oncoming car who had to brake to avoid hitting him. I suspect had there been a collision folk would have looked at the car driver to be at fault but it was all the fault of the cyclist.
Cyclists can be a law unto themselves at times...i was heading to the Lake
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I have to agree with all of what's been said.
There are Cyclists who don't give enough thought to what is happening around them and it is their responsibility as well as the drivers of vehicles to take notice.
On Derby Road some will come on the inside to overtake whilst others on the outside - eyes in back of A@@@ comes to mind
I was taught to drive by speaking to other drivers by using indicators ( my instructors words )
Also, to look at what is going off several vehicles in front and use my mirrors - that includes my side mirrors, some I think don't use any !
When I have the wheelchair in the back of the car it does obstruct my rear mirror view a little and so my side mirrors are used more to double check.
I was only explaining this a couple of weeks ago to a new driver who will soon be able to use the car and take my daughter out, I will be with her for several trips - precious cargo on board ;)
The little Walton roundabout bugs me as not many drivers indicate and the ones that do sometimes give off the wrong indications!
I also think that putting Pelican Crossings so near to roundabouts isn't good, why did they do that??
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Today at junction of Derby Rd & Storforth lane I almost saw a cyclist come to grief. He was undertaking cars in the left hand lane whilst one of the cars wanted to turn left onto storforth lane - the cyclist wanted to go straight up Derby Rd :o Luckily the cyclist stopped in time because the car driver clearly didn't see him.
To be fair to the cyclist, the car driver did not indicate he was turning left.
THAT'S ANOTHER BLOODY ISSUE - INDICATORS!!
I'm going for a lie down........... ::)
If you are now up and refreshed after you rest, why not start a Facebook Blog on this ;)
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Agree about the pelicans on roundabout exits...there are a couple off West Bars, one as you go up between Wickes and Matalan and the one as you come off to go down Markham Rd, both of which are a bit blind as you come off the roundabout concentrating on other cars as plenty get in the wrong lane and all the other stuff to deal with on roundabouts without worrying about a pelican suddenly changing to red as you exit and have to brake to let people cross. They also then cause traffic to back up over the roundabout where there are already lights controlling traffic so you end up with blocked exits etc through no fault of the drivers.
The one coming up Chatsworth Rd is particually annoying when you consider less than a couple of hundred yards up the road there is another one.
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I'm managing to avoid it on there - anyone know how things are going - ?
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I had a walk round there on Wednesday while the wife was swimming.There were various firms vehicles and DCC lories parked round and about and drilling and hole digging going on.The main problem seems to be that there is only one lane in use from Horns Bridge going up Derby Road.Once the lights change to red to let traffic out of the cinema complex etc there is chaos on the roundabout.
It will be interesting to see what the end product is because as usual it is difficult to imagine how the undoubted cost can be justified against the limited changes which can be made to improve the situation.
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Friends called to visit on Friday and told us the roundabout was bad. They witnessed a car driver and lorry driver in conflict on the roundabout - the lorry driver had got out of his cab to go to the car driver. :-?
Drivers are going to get frustrated with other at times aren't they !
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Would someone like to explain how this junction is different from how it was before the works. (Yes I know there's no right turn whilst there's roadworks on the main Derby Rd).
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Road markings on the pavement ? :-?
will all pedestrians understand what they mean ? Looks like you now need to read the highway code before you can walk anywhere ! ::)
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Would someone like to explain how this junction is different from how it was before the works. (Yes I know there's no right turn whilst there's roadworks on the main Derby Rd).
Now come on fly - you didn't really expect it to be any different did you - this is Chesterfield :))
Tarzan - some pedestrians will just do as some motorists do and ignore the signs ::)