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General Category => Chesterfield Discussion => Topic started by: hifimad on April 27, 2018, 06:16:51 PM
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Yes it is official democracy in our town is dead and buried, if you have read my other posts you will know I have been trying for some time now to get answers from Chesterfield Borough Council as a result of numerous connected acts of criminality perpetrated by Council employees against my family and myself.
In my last post I wrote to the leader of the Council asking for answers to a number of very simple questions which I have put to the Council on numerous occasions, questions which they have refused to respond to or even acknowledge.
The leader of the Council has flatly refused to answer my post or the emails I have sent her including emailing the open letter in its entirety as posted on the forum, the fact that the leader of the council has refused to engage with me on this matter shows unequivocally that this Labour Council does not practice or believe in democracy or the democratic process itself.
And in case there is any doubt, the following statements are from a High Court judge and a leading academic in politics and this is what they say.
Alan Dershowitz, a prominent Constitutional Law scholar, declares that “accountability is an essential element in a democracy. Hypocrisy has no place.”
“Transparency in government is a vital interest in a democracy”, says Merrick Garland, Chief Judge
The conclusion from the sayings of these two learned gentlemen is that democracy without accountability and without transparency is hypocrisy.
Aaccountability is government’s answerability and account-giving to parliament and to the electorate. Where there is good governance, accountability is government’s shouldering of responsibility. It is government’s obligation to account for its activities, accept responsibility for them and disclose the results in a transparent manner. Transparency is a right and the means to examine the process of its actions and decision making. It is a way of holding public officials accountable, thus it is also a medium to fight corruption.
Good governance mainly depends on accountability and transparency without which there is no real democracy. Accountability and transparency go hand in hand. Without transparency there is no accountability and vice versa, thus making the very claim of being democratic a SHAM.
The above clearly applies to governments of any sort including local government, the lack of adherance to the above principles by members of any so called democratic institution clearly shows beyond doubt that not only does the said institution no longer practice democratic accountability it also shows that that institution does not truly beleive in democracy or the practice of the democratic process itself, also it is a tenant of our democracy that there is no taxation without accountability so why are we paying Council Tax when this Labour Council has clearly shown accountability as being non existant.
In conclusion once a year the council sends out forms requiring housholds to register to vote, my contention is, as there is no democracy there is clearly no point to this form, and as a result i intend to consign mine to the bin where it can keep democracy (consigned there by Chesterfield Borough Council) company. My father now deceased, was a miner all his life and he always impressed on me the need to vote and told me people have suffered and even died to ensure of everybodys right to vote, and for the past forty five years i have followed his advice religiously and voted in every referendum and govenment election including local elections, and all that is left to say is, sorry DAD you could not have been more wrong, the process you beleived in and the democratic principles of the Labour Party which you misplaced your faith in all your life are long dead, and to both my father and the democracy he so passionately beleived in i say you are both sadly missed.
REST IN PEACE.
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If you are not happy with the Labour Party of Chesterfield don't waste your vote by throwing your form away - vote for another Party!
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If you are not happy with the Labour Party of Chesterfield don't waste your vote by throwing your form away - vote for another Party!
and vote for the torys i would sooner sh*t in my hands and clap, or maybe the liberals, my view on the liberals is that in 2012 they made a written contract not to do something yet still went ahead and did it, i look on this as like buyiing a commodity, the store takes my money and tells me it will do a number of jobs for me, on getting it home i find it will not do as promised as a result i am entitled to get my money back because of breech of contract, in the same way the liberals sold us something and we paid with our vote they breeched their contract with the electorate which means they should not have been allowed into government as they breeched their contract which means those votes should have been returned to the electorate the same way as money is returned to buyers, so the buyer can the use his money/vote to shop/vote elswhere, simple contract law. to sum up my choice is vote for, A, a bunch of totalitarian abusive liars, B, a party who are only interested in making the rich richer at the expense of the poor, C, a party who enter into a contract with voters and prove to be con men with no moral principles at all. in my mind that leaves me at square one the bin it is then.
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:)) no point in posting about it then. ::)
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:)) no point in posting about it then. ::)
Of course there is as it may shame the relevent parties to implement democracy and to remember what it was to be open an honest and accountable to the electorate they now pretend to represent, i can remember a time when Labour MPs and Councillors would fight wrongdoing and injustice wherever it came from, what we seem to have now is a bunch of lickspittles to the executive who will rubber stamp any action by the executive and even go as far as to take orders from them and not the voters who put them where they are be it in Parliament or at the council.
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Maybe sign up to one of the party's and get out there to make a difference then. (y)
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i thought it was the political parties job to make a difference to peoples lives for the better, that is what i bought when they got my vote, i used to be a member of a political party until i found out that if you put anything forward to the executive comitee that they did not like you would just be shouted down by the committee and its small clique of comittee supporters, the only reason the party wanted the majority input was to knock on doors and deliver leaflets so the committee and its clique could sit there on their fat arses handing out pronouncements to the minions from on high.
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:))oh dear you have had a bad experience haven't you. Just put the form in the bin then. ;)
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As i have gone through life i have been witnesses to many injustices as i am sure we all have, however in the last 20 or so years these injustices keep pilling up, we now have a blame the victim culture in this town and country, we have people having to beg on the street yet the politicians tell us not to give them money, we have unemployed people being made destitute by a judgemental benefits system, we have people with disabilities and critical illnesses being told they have nothing wrong with them, we have the institutions who are there to help people openly lying to stop people getting what they are entitled to, we have british people being thrown out of the country they were born in or were asked to come here just for being black, i am tempted to say it is a sh*t country we live in, however it is not the country to blame nor the majority of its people, it is the scumbags in their ivory towers like chesterfield borough council and parliament who lord it over us lesser mortals simply for their own self promotion at the expense of every on else, and yes if i see a person who needs a meal i do give them some money it may only be a couple of quid but at least i try, and before some self important selfish little git tells me they will only spend it on booze or drugs, well if thats the only tiny bit of pleasure they can get in their crap lives then so be it.
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I suspect there is a lot of corruption in Politics but the answer is not to roll over but to fight by using our vote. It's the only weapon we have.
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By not using your vote, you lose the right to voice your likes/dislikes about current political issues. That's the way I see it.
Even if I have grievances with the party I vote for, at least I can still slag them and the others C:-)
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By not using your vote, you lose the right to voice your likes/dislikes about current political issues. That's the way I see it.
Even if I have grievances with the party I vote for, at least I can still slag them and the others C:-)
i understand your point however if you follow this to its logical conlusion that would mean that if i did not vote for a tory government then i cannot say anything negative about them, if you make an educated choice not to use your vote it is merely an abstention which MPS do in Parliament quite often, this does not remove their right to comment on any issues, so i take it the same applies to individual voters/non voters. the situation we have here is a political party making the process of voting completely redundant and making a mockery of the democratic process, i would say that if anyone looks at this travesty and decides that it is clear to them that voting is pointless then that is a positive act and not a negative one.
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that would mean that if i did not vote for a tory government then i cannot say anything negative about them
I didn't say that. I said if you 'didn't vote' for 'any' party then don't complain.
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i know where you are coming from, i did vote and i voted Labour, and look where its got not just me but the rest of the electorate, i myself have never subscribed to the view that if you do not vote you have no right to comment in a democracy an abstention is as valid as a positive vote, however up until recently I always believed that voting should be compulsory with one caveat there should be a section on the voting form where you can vote for NONE with a comments section for you to voluntary explain the reasons for this negative vote, that way any abstentions would be recorded as such and not put down to voter apathy, i am also sure both you and I know the politicians would never do this as i suspect there would be more votes for NONE than any political party
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So - how would you repeal the system - bearing in mind this is not just Chesterfield?
A NONE vote as a protest does not work - your voice is not heard one way or another.
If the system of council elections does not fit your choice - try & change it - plenty of petitions you can instigate to Government - I'm sure you are aware of them.
You have not mentioned a specific in terms of what changes should be made or suggested otherwise, and as such I can't help you otherwise in your lack of going further on this point.
Although eloquently worded - I think you will find this is the way the system works and it won't change for a long time yet.
If you don't vote - there is no change - Simple!
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As if by magic. Look what popped up on my Facebook timeline from May 6th 2014 lol (y)
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As if by magic. Look what popped up on my Facebook timeline from May 6th 2014 lol (y)
(y)
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Hifimad, I understand what you are saying. So many are disillusioned with Politics.
Having always voted labour myself, recent years have made me look closely at who I agree with the most.
Many people will not agree with all of what their chosen party stands for me included.
I abhor the cover ups and not wanting to share information when there is no reason it should be kept secret.
I made secret of the fact that I didn't think Corbyn was a good leader and although he has improved in some ways since he became leader his handling of certain situations haven't been addressed as to me they should have been.
I have always said I'm not into Politics big style, but more for the people, but at least in my chosen Party I am allowed to disagree with any Policies they have, and am allowed to voice them, whilst others will acknowledge my point of view - I'm not shot down in flames.
Unlike as I have recently heard straight from the horses mouth - The ------------------ Party told me to?
Dictatorship or what!!!
Use your vote Hifimad :)
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So - how would you repeal the system - bearing in mind this is not just Chesterfield?
A NONE vote as a protest does not work - your voice is not heard one way or another.
If the system of council elections does not fit your choice - try & change it - plenty of petitions you can instigate to Government - I'm sure you are aware of them.
You have not mentioned a specific in terms of what changes should be made or suggested otherwise, and as such I can't help you otherwise in your lack of going further on this point.
Although eloquently worded - I think you will find this is the way the system works and it won't change for a long time yet.
If you don't vote - there is no change - Simple!
It is not for me to repeal the system, it is up to the politicians to ensure that the so called democratic institutions that they are in charge of are truly democratic, law abiding honest, open and transparent to the electorate which they clearly do not, it is not the system of elections of any sort do not work, it is the lack of democratic accountability by our councillors and MPs that cause the system of democracy and hence elections not to work, the reason i have not stated in specific terms how democracy could be improved is because it is inherent in my original post on this matter, however i will spell it out, if our elected representatives are going to refuse to be open and transparent with the electorate then they are the ones who are destroying our democracy, also as a result of their actions they are making voting a pointless exercise, i have lost count of the times it has been said to me "I don’t vote they are all the same", "it’s not worth voting they never listen", "why bother once they are in they do as they please anyway", and as far as your comment this is the way the system works i must disagree, the system does not work properly as there is no accountability, openness, or transparency, a while ago now we had a visit from prospective councillor Mark Raynor and i asked him why i should bother to vote and he said because we live in a democracy, i told him that I had lived in England all my life and have yet to live in a democracy, his response to me was to ask me how i suggest we put this right and my response was to point out that as a politician it was his job to put it right, however i suggested to him that when any party puts forward its manifesto this should be stuck to except in unforeseen emergencies, in the event that parties should wish to deviate from their manifesto then they should have to re approach the electorate with their revised manifesto to enable them to vote on it, his response was very telling he said we could not do that, I replied no that wound be democracy, in summation I admire your faith in the democratic system, and maybe after all these years I have become a tad cynical but when you consider my experience of our Councils idea of democracy with all of its law breaking , dishonesty, lack of openness, and lack of transparency , I think I can be excused.
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Hifimad, I understand what you are saying. So many are disillusioned with Politics.
Having always voted labour myself, recent years have made me look closely at who I agree with the most.
Many people will not agree with all of what their chosen party stands for me included.
I abhor the cover ups and not wanting to share information when there is no reason it should be kept secret.
I made no secret of the fact that I didn't think Corbyn was a good leader and although he has improved in some ways since he became leader his handling of certain situations haven't been addressed as to me they should have been.
I have always said I'm not into Politics big style, but more for the people, but at least in my chosen Party I am allowed to disagree with any Policies they have, and am allowed to voice them, whilst others will acknowledge my point of view - I'm not shot down in flames.
Unlike as I have recently heard straight from the horses mouth - The ------------------ Party told me to?
Dictatorship or what!!!
Use your vote Hifimad :)
i may suprise you now my politics have always been and still are left of centre, when Jeremy Corbyn came in i thought at last we will have a politician with some principles, someone who we can support and beleive in. i must admit though, i thought it a big ask for him to get to PM considering the maulling i new he would get from our rabid right wing press. i am afraid that the dishonesty and refusal to accept resposibility by this Labour controlled administration and the total refusal to respond to me by the Labour Leader of said Council has soured any hope i had of things improving democratcally speaking. i truly and honestly feel there is no longer any point, in elections or politicians we might as well just let the Civil Servants get on with it thats what our Labour Councillors do.
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Sometimes in life it is better for us to move on from a situation.
If we don't it can eat away at us.
This I think is one such incident in your life when you won't get answers.
Don't give these people the satisfaction of ignoring you any longer - move forward and your revenge is they will lose your vote.
Eventually they will lose more and will no longer have the power they enjoy now!
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the people who are ignoring me would love me to just shut up and go away, however i see it as my duty to let people know, what an amoral bunch of corrupt lawbreaking, dishonest anti democratic tyrants are ruling their lives, what we need to remember is these people are only to quick to fine us for minor misdemeaners such as overstaying in car parks or dropping litter, the same people who fine us for these things consider it acceptable to attack innocent disabled people without warning, to effectively kidnap disabled people and to unlawfully publish priveledged information in a clear attempt to discredit me personally a clear contravention of the data protection act, these people are clearly untrustworthy.
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the people who are ignoring me would love me to just shut up and go away, however i see it as my duty to let people know, what an amoral bunch of corrupt lawbreaking, dishonest anti democratic tyrants are ruling their lives, what we need to remember is these people are only to quick to fine us for minor misdemeaners such as overstaying in car parks or dropping litter, the same people who fine us for these things consider it acceptable to attack innocent disabled people without warning, to effectively kidnap disabled people and to unlawfully publish priveledged information in a clear attempt to discredit me personally a clear contravention of the data protection act, these people are clearly untrustworthy.
Did you go along to the May Day March with your Banner hifimad - tell them all what you tell us?
Get yourself noticed young man!
TBH if you have got nothing back from your complaints you don't have much choice but to either look at other means to get the injustice you feel has been done to you or protest loudly to events where they are - make yourself seen and heard.
Many will ignore you, but some may well understand where you are coming from and have their own tales to tell.
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i know what you mean i have put this out elsewhere and one or two people say i should post the questions, however i would have to redact the names first as the forum moderators might consider they would be open to being sued, however a short while after the assaults a senior member of the Council did state that a council member intended to sue me for slander/libel, i myself could not wait, my defence against libel and slander being that i was telling the truth, i even went so far as to contact the Council with a request for them to hurry up with the court papers as i was more than ready with my defence, it was at this point that the same senior member informed me that there would be no action against me which was a cause of some dissapointment, though i did point out at the time that the withdrawal was possibly due to the fact that i was telling the truth, his reply was "i cannot comment on that" i appreciate your concern for me and not allowing this to eat away at me, i can assure you it is not eating away at me, my only interest is to expose wrongdoing where i see it, and to inform people of the corruptuion being exercised by the Council in their name. and the fact that their elected representatives chose to support abuse, lawbreaking and injustice rather than suppoting their elctorate against such abuses. it is clear to me that by refusing to deal with this properly they are equally responsible and complicit in the Councils criminal activity.
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Correct you can't post names.
Unfortunately you won't get anywhere as the people concerned may possibly think they have done nothing wrong -
Change of tactic is needed to get someone out of their loop to listen!
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the fact is the people concerned are fully aware of having done something wrong, the police brought charges of assault against the attackers, it was the crown prosecution service who dropped the ball at the first court hearing by not bringing the cctv evidence to court, they ended up being admonished for their incompetence by the magistrate and within a short period after this dropped the case on the grounds it was not in the public interest to proceed with the case ("for not in the public interest" read we have screwed this up lets get the hell out of this case).
It was shortly after this withdrawal that a prominent local councillor and others started putting it around that the magistrates had thrown the case out due to lack of evidence a fact they knew to be untrue, they even went so far as to inform Toby Perkins this untruth.
One of the really interesting facts is that as a result of the attacks on my disabled partner and special needs son i posted an appeal for witnesses on another forum, and i did receive a reply from a witness who did see the attack however communications were soon stopped and the witness was to intimidated to come forward.
At the same time this was happening a person called daftman01 posted on the forum privileged information about me and an unrelated complaint i had made to the police a couple of years previously i might add that this is information that was only available to the police via the police national computer, and also details of my complaint to the manager of the library again privileged information that should not have been imparted to anyone, after an investigation by the police counter corruption unit they were able to confirm that this information came from not only a Council computer but a computer operated by the employees and management of the felons who had committed the attacks, now lets look at this a little further, these guards who attacked my family gained information about me as a result of their position working for the Council and supposedly in co-operation with the police, the Council then provided them with the resources ie one Council computer and the time to use said computer during working hours to attempt to discredit me by painting me as someone who makes invalid complaints, it is inconceivable that the management also were unaware of what was happening particularly as the guards manager made it clear to me she had a close working relationship with the library manager so it is obvious to me where my complaints to the library manager came from.
the Councils Executive Directors response to my complaint of breaching the data protection act is that " WE THE COUNCIL CANNOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT OUR EMPLOYEES CHOSE TO DO IN THEIR OWN TIME" that is the most self serving and corrupt explanation imaginable when taking into account what truly happened, the council know they have broken the law on numerous occasions and will clutch at any straw in an attempt to shirk their responsibility for their own criminal behaviour, this could only be achieved as a result of the tacit support of a number of councillors including their previous and present leaders, how anyone could in all conscience vote for this bunch of CROOKS defeats me.
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What you are telling us is a very complex situation and I can understand why some would take little notice.
However we should all be mindful that some situations such as you claim have eventually been proved to be true - much to the astonishment of others.
Who would ever have thought it - it is a statement we have all heard.
I'm not sure where you could go with this now TBH as most avenues appear to have been exhausted.
Just please don't waste a vote by not using it.
Vote for someone else.
It could well be the one vote they need to be elected!! ;)
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Here's hifimads full story, in case anyone wants to read it.
https://www.chesterfieldforum.net/threads/is-shopwatch-being-used-to-prevent-justice.2496/
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Here's hifimads full story, in case anyone wants to read it.
https://www.chesterfieldforum.net/threads/is-shopwatch-being-used-to-prevent-justice.2496/
thank you for finding that post, however the incident i am alluding to in this thread happened much later, the post you have put a link to was the incident which i made complaints to the police regarding unreasonable force and a stop search without any evidence of wrongdoing, this was the incident the guards posted the private information about though the guards statement in their post was wrong as one of the complaints levelled at the police was upheld, this is also the incident which when i was trying to make my complaint i received a number of calls from the police of accending rank including the pace inspector who thought it was within his remit to start shouting abuse at me down the phone, he had supposedly rung me up to take my complaint and instead attempted to justify the actions of the policemen involved, i told him i was not interested i just wished to put forward my complaint, at one stage he screamed down the phone "now you listen to me" it was at this point i disconnected the call telling him he had rung me to hear my complaint and it was he who was supposed to be listening to me, i recieved two futher calls from the police that friday evening and finaly a third after midnight by a guy who i beleive was a superintendant who finaly agreed to put forward my complaint, anyone reading this if you have a complaint against the police do it online which will avoid any intimidating behaviour,
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Are the incidents not related. I thought all this came from the incident I quoted from another forum ?
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Are the incidents not related. I thought all this came from the incident I quoted from another forum ?
no the incidents are not directly related, this incident was two years before the incidents involving the council security in the pavements however though it has never been officially stated there is a rather tenuous link, this is what I know, there used to be a security guard in Wilkos and when any shoplifting cases came over his radio he would chase around town in an attempt to involve himself in some way, as I understand it he got on his radio and stated quite wrongly that my disabled partner and special needs son were in Wilkos behaving suspiciously, we believe this was the trigger for a pavements security guard to approach them in Poundland in the pavements and instruct them he was going to search them, they then informed the guard he had no authority to do so and went on their way they had gone a few yards down the pavements when my son was violently set upon from behind without warning or explanation (Toby Perkins described this vicious attack as a rugby tackle) he was then dragged into Poundland and held in the shop front where he was loudly taunted by this guard stating the police were on their way and he was going to be arrested for shoplifting.
During this time he decided he needed to find his mother as she has a serious balance condition and he was concerned for her safety so he attempted to leave where he was set upon once again and dragged around by his lapels by this Council thug, it must be pointed out that as there had been no citizen’s arrest he was free to leave at any time, However having been held for twenty minutes the police arrived and executed a pace search on my son and found him to be innocent of any wrongdoing, it is at this point that the Police decided not only to totally ignore the rules governing pace searches but also to break the law themselves as they were asked by the head guard to detain my son for a further length of time outside Poundland so he could come and abuse him some more, this detention was totally unlawful, also my son complained to the police that he had been assaulted and the police refused to investigate, when this guard who wanted to speak to my son arrived (his late arrival was caused because he was busy elsewhere) he handed my son a six months ban from the pavements centre without good reason.
On seeing my son being viciously attacked by the uniformed thug my partner decided to ring me, she knew there was a payphone downstairs in the library so she went there, as she approached the lift she noticed two security guards go hurtling downstairs but thought nothing of it and carried on, what she did not know was that the head guard supported by another guard were lying in wait like the skulking criminals they are ready to ambush her, as she exited the lift the head guard grabbed her without warning or explanation and dragged her off into an alcove (conveniently obscuring the camera point down the corridor) where he violently pinned her against a wall by her neck, she told him that he was hurting her and he told her he would relax his grip if she did not run off, what is surprising about this statement was that the other guard present knew of her disability as he had once accused her of being drunk due to her disability and he knew of her Ataxia. As a result of this unprovoked and vicious attack she unleashed a string of fs bs and cs on these two criminal scumbags and they got the police in to charge her with a public order offence as I suspect they had now come realise no crime had been committed which was proved by a search of my partner, the setting up and execution of this attack was why the head guard requested of the Police that they unlawfully detain my son outside Poundland, also at one point my partner was outside the library with two police women and who should appear but the Wilkos security guard who shouted at her she would not get away with it this time like she did last time, it is clear to me he felt cheated over the last time when my partner was proved to be innocent and he was carrying out some kind of vendetta rather helpfully supported on this occasion by chesterfield borough council employees, a few days after I saw the guard who had assisted in the attack on my partner and questioned him regarding the attack he would not answer me on this but he did impart one useful piece of information which was that the day after the attacks all the guards were sat round a table together to write out written statements I have a recording of this encounter but it was my belief this is where all the lies were constructed. There is more than I have put here which concerns the aftermath and includes more Council lies and lawbreaking what I have wrote here is just the tip of the iceberg of council lies deceit and cover up
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What you are telling us is a very complex situation and I can understand why some would take little notice.
However we should all be mindful that some situations such as you claim have eventually been proved to be true - much to the astonishment of others.
Who would ever have thought it - it is a statement we have all heard.
I'm not sure where you could go with this now TBH as most avenues appear to have been exhausted.
Just please don't waste a vote by not using it.
Vote for someone else.
It could well be the one vote they need to be elected!! ;)
i must tell you i have every understanding and respect for your position regarding voting as i used to think much the same way as yourself, however as i wrote at the beginning democracy in chesterfield is dead and buried what is the point in engaging in the so called democratic process when the Labour Council Leader and the corrupt Council as a whole has proved to me beyond doubt that democracy in Chesterfield is non existant, it would be like me going to church to pray for a god i no longer believe in.
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i must tell you i have every understanding and respect for your position regarding voting as i used to think much the same way as yourself, however as i wrote at the beginning democracy in chesterfield is dead and buried what is the point in engaging in the so called democratic process when the Labour Council Leader and the corrupt Council as a whole has proved to me beyond doubt that democracy in Chesterfield is non existant, it would be like me going to church to pray for a god i no longer believe in.
With a different Party in hopefully things would be different and that is why we need to use our votes. Let someone else have a go. ;)
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no the incidents are not directly related, this incident was two years before the incidents involving the council security in the pavements however though it has never been officially stated there is a rather tenuous link, this is what I know, there used to be a security guard in Wilkos and when any shoplifting cases came over his radio he would chase around town in an attempt to involve himself in some way, as I understand it he got on his radio and stated quite wrongly that my disabled partner and special needs son were in Wilkos behaving suspiciously, we believe this was the trigger for a pavements security guard to approach them in Poundland in the pavements and instruct them he was going to search them, they then informed the guard he had no authority to do so and went on their way they had gone a few yards down the pavements when my son was violently set upon from behind without warning or explanation (Toby Perkins described this vicious attack as a rugby tackle) he was then dragged into Poundland and held in the shop front where he was loudly taunted by this guard stating the police were on their way and he was going to be arrested for shoplifting.
During this time he decided he needed to find his mother as she has a serious balance condition and he was concerned for her safety so he attempted to leave where he was set upon once again and dragged around by his lapels by this Council thug, it must be pointed out that as there had been no citizen’s arrest he was free to leave at any time, However having been held for twenty minutes the police arrived and executed a pace search on my son and found him to be innocent of any wrongdoing, it is at this point that the Police decided not only to totally ignore the rules governing pace searches but also to break the law themselves as they were asked by the head guard to detain my son for a further length of time outside Poundland so he could come and abuse him some more, this detention was totally unlawful, also my son complained to the police that he had been assaulted and the police refused to investigate, when this guard who wanted to speak to my son arrived (his late arrival was caused because he was busy elsewhere) he handed my son a six months ban from the pavements centre without good reason.
On seeing my son being viciously attacked by the uniformed thug my partner decided to ring me, she knew there was a payphone downstairs in the library so she went there, as she approached the lift she noticed two security guards go hurtling downstairs but thought nothing of it and carried on, what she did not know was that the head guard supported by another guard were lying in wait like the skulking criminals they are ready to ambush her, as she exited the lift the head guard grabbed her without warning or explanation and dragged her off into an alcove (conveniently obscuring the camera point down the corridor) where he violently pinned her against a wall by her neck, she told him that he was hurting her and he told her he would relax his grip if she did not run off, what is surprising about this statement was that the other guard present knew of her disability as he had once accused her of being drunk due to her disability and he knew of her Ataxia. As a result of this unprovoked and vicious attack she unleashed a string of fs bs and cs on these two criminal scumbags and they got the police in to charge her with a public order offence as I suspect they had now come realise no crime had been committed which was proved by a search of my partner, the setting up and execution of this attack was why the head guard requested of the Police that they unlawfully detain my son outside Poundland, also at one point my partner was outside the library with two police women and who should appear but the Wilkos security guard who shouted at her she would not get away with it this time like she did last time, it is clear to me he felt cheated over the last time when my partner was proved to be innocent and he was carrying out some kind of vendetta rather helpfully supported on this occasion by chesterfield borough council employees, a few days after I saw the guard who had assisted in the attack on my partner and questioned him regarding the attack he would not answer me on this but he did impart one useful piece of information which was that the day after the attacks all the guards were sat round a table together to write out written statements I have a recording of this encounter but it was my belief this is where all the lies were constructed. There is more than I have put here which concerns the aftermath and includes more Council lies and lawbreaking what I have wrote here is just the tip of the iceberg of council lies deceit and cover up
Whilst we have all heard of the over zealous security guard as this is a historic incident I am thinking little could be done - what happened to the CCTV footage by the way?
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Whilst we have all heard of the over zealous security guard as this is a historic incident I am thinking little could be done - what happened to the CCTV footage by the way?
that is another bone of contention as i placed a subject access request for the cctv evidence stating in the request that i wanted the time stamp left on, now as we know when you do this the suppliers of the footage have to blank out video of members of the public while leaving the rest of the footage complete, firstly the footage we have been supplied has the time stamped blanked out and also shows around 20 mins of the camera looking at Poundland and the entire picture is pixelated, just by pure coincidence it is during this time my son was being held in poundland, and also the time he was assaulted for a second time by the council thug, having said that it does show the point my son was attacked and it is clear that there was no discussion or explanation just the attack.
Toby Perkins got to see the unedited footage after a long battle battle as one of the guards managers who worked for Kier wanted to keep it covered up, Toby Perkins told me that the guards management expressed to him that there was no arrest and accepted that wrongdoing had ocurred, and informed him that in future this team of guards would have to be fitted with bodycams and SIA identification, i will point out that at the time of the attacks the guards had no identification on them and also refused to identify themselves, later in my dealings with the councils Executive Director he informed us that the guards were not at the time of the attack SIA registered, a couple of weeks later he withdrew that comment and told us he would provide paperwork to prove the guards were registered, i can inform you to this day no such proof has been provided. it is also useful at this point to say that a few days after the attacks the Pavements Mnager stated to my son and myself that her "security officials were highly professional and fully SIA registered" if this is untrue as stated by the Councils Executive Director then she has commited a criminal offence with the penalty of an unlimited fine possible. i have never been a fan of thatcher however she did have a good turn of phrase one which is particularly relevent to the guards
I must tell you that what we have got is an attempt to substitute the rule of the mob for the rule of law, and it must not succeed. It must not succeed. There are those who are using violence and intimidation to impose their will on others who do not want it. The rule of law must prevail over the rule of the mob.