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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: therealjr on February 19, 2012, 03:09:05 PM
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Just watching the game between Stevenage and Spurs on the TV. For some reason I'm not sure of the Stevenage fans seem to have taken a dislike to Gareth Bale and are directing the chant of 'you look like a chimp' at him (google him if you don't understand) presumably in a effort to lessen his performance. Nobody is batting an eyelid.
Now if they were directing the same chant towards Jermain Defoe or Louis Saha the PC brigade would be full of self righteous indignation, people would be calling for Stevenage to be thrown out of the competition and life bans given to any fans involved.
So it's ok to verbally abuse a white man about his physical appearance but not a black man?
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Tricky one there Jon - I don't think I can get my head around that.
I think part of the answer lies somewhere in history, where for years white people took black people as slaves.
But as Clarkson found out last week, no matter who you joke about, you're in the shit.
I suppose humour will die out completely one day as there is always some PC types going to take offence.
Maybe if folks stopped joking about folks that would be acceptable.
Get ready for a new breed of comedian that 1) Only jokes about inanimate objects or 2) Isn't very funny at all.
By the way - did you hear the one about the bloke with the big nose? Ooops! Sorry...
Why don't we have a contest to find the funniest joke that is politically correct? Bet the winner would be about a plank of wood ;)
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Where I still in 'another place' I think I'd get pilloried for this but on here I will risk it.
Do you know what defines a 'racially motivated' crime or incident?
Answer: Because the victim says it is.
So for example a group of idiots could come walking down your street and throw a half brick through the front windows of 20 houses.
19 of those incidents will be listed by the police as a crime
The 20th will have to be recorded as a racially motivated crime because the owner of number 42 is a member of the Black and ethnic minority community and says that he believes the idiots only threw a brick through his window because they were racially motivated to do so.
Home office guidelines dictate that not only do the police have no option but to record the crime in this way they also have to investigate it in a different manner.
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Again - a very tricky question.
It reminds me of a friend who married a German girl - one of their kids got bullied at school and the my friend rang up and complained. Nothing happened. But when both parents went to the school to complain and the headmistress saw that the mother was German, she swung into action because "it could be racially motivated".
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Story in today's paper.
A boy aged 7 asked one of his classmates "is your skin brown because you are from Africa"
The boy was accused of being racist and mother called up to the school. She was expected to sign an agreement confirming that her son acted in a way that was racially wrong but she refused and is now taking her son out of the school.
Repeat: He was NOT calling names or intending any offence, simply asking about the boys appearance, as most young children do, when they see something they may not be familiar with.
This country is really being dragged down by the silly PC brigade. And I agree with JR, its always one way. They have the Metropolitan Black Police Offices Association, can you imagine if someone started up a Metropolitan WHITE Police Offices Association. Nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with some mini dickats wanting to rule the world and force their ideals onto everyone else!
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There was a strange one once in the on crime stats presented to Community Forum a case of one partner harrsassing his (or her) ex partner. This was recorded as racial because one was black and the other was white. Total nonsense that it's race hate when these were once a couple.
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see today that Jeremy Clarkson's comments about the public sector strikes were deemed not to be offensive by Ofcom. Of course if you read the full quote rather than do a politicians trick of cherry picking what you think proves your point, it never was!!
His initial response when asked about the strikes was: "I think they have been fantastic. Absolutely. London today has just been empty. Everybody stayed at home, you can whizz about, restaurants are empty."
However, he added: "We have to balance this though, because this is the BBC. Frankly, I'd have them all shot. I would take them outside and execute them in front of their families."
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The Guardian website have footage of the incident, but only choose to show the second half of the last sentence... Hypocrites! I expect that sort of behavior from the Mail and Telegraph, but not from the Guardian.
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Whilst on the Racism Theme
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4139714/Chippie-found-to-be-racist-plaice-to-work.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4139714/Chippie-found-to-be-racist-plaice-to-work.html)
And You Couldn't make this up
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4139714/Chippie-found-to-be-racist-plaice-to-work.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4139714/Chippie-found-to-be-racist-plaice-to-work.html)
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I don't suppose we will ever see repeats of Love Thy Neighbour!
The world has gone stupid with this racial thing - look at the incident with one of the young princes when he used a friendly term to his friend --- some of it is in the minds of people who I think ARE actually racist as they can twist things around and put a totally different meaning to things.
It's the same with politically correct --- can't say gollywog, manhole cover, etc etc --- stupid. When I had my gollywog no way did I think of it as beeing a black person and when I bought one for my daughter it was just another cuddly TOY! For goodness sake world --- get a grip!
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I don't suppose we will ever see repeats of Love Thy Neighbour!
The world has gone stupid with this racial thing - look at the incident with one of the young princes when he used a friendly term to his friend --- some of it is in the minds of people who I think ARE actually racist as they can twist things around and put a totally different meaning to things.
It's the same with politically correct --- can't say gollywog, manhole cover, etc etc --- stupid. When I had my gollywog no way did I think of it as beeing a black person and when I bought one for my daughter it was just another cuddly TOY! For goodness sake world --- get a grip!
Hear, hear! ::)
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What they said.
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Watched 'Coppers' on Ch 4 last night and one of the bobbies' nickname was 'monkey' (I should mention here that he was 'white') - no-one (not even 'monkey' himself) batted an eyelid. It was all good humoured banter between colleagues - just imagine the uproar if it was aimed at a 'non-white' person!
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I'm going to introduce something which might be upsetting/ maybe interesting.
The EDL has a human rights statement which I can largely agree with after reading it.
However I feel prevented from joining their cause because i feel they have been extreme in the past.Nevertheless, a lot of their points are valid. I am not a member.
I'm not going to post their website on here.
Its up to you if you want to find it.
Only today US Army has had to grovel apologies for apparently burning stuff which may have included copies of the Koran. I don't remember apologies from countries, whose peoples live here, for burning poppies near armistice day.
I get a feeling we are too soft on political correctness.
Skin colour should not be an excuse for anyone living in this country for racist remarks, to only backfire on "white people" in this day and age when we have had ethnic communities for decades living here. Especially when made out of innocence. Don't forget the "ethnic" communities can go back to WW2 , i.e. Polish fighter pilots, and so on.
Its about time PC grew up and said tit for tat, thats OK then. Its wrong however to pull the "is it cos I am black" statement now surely?!?
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>> Only today US Army has had to grovel apologies for apparently burning stuff which may have included copies of the Koran
It sort of makes up for burning people and not saying sorry.
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I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!! (Probably misquoted that!)
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No - you got it right :)
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Rightly or wrongly I feel that it is in some cases the people who 'think racist' who have had a problem with some of the words used like 'monkey' and so we cannot use it as someone has said towards someone who is black because it would be seemed as racist --- I have called my children/grandchildren and cat - 'monkey'
To me it means mischievous not 'black person' --- it's all in the mind --- all in the mind!!!
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Absolutely right, OC. I've always said words don't cause offence, its actions and intentions.
We were brought up on the mantra "sticks and stone may break my bones, but calling names won't hurt me".
Sometimes people look for a reason to be insulted when none exists, because our society is driven by "victim-hood" Everyone is encouraged to see themselves as a victim.
Someone scraped your car bumper, no worries claim £5000 for whiplash, take a few weeks off, and all the lawyers, and insurance brokers will be happy!
Its about time we stopped seeing ourselves as victims, and started being proud of what we are. And when people have pride, they don't feel insecure, and don't feel offended at every little comment.
I also often call my kids cheeky little monkeys, not because they are black but because they are little bast**ds sometimes, which is why I have to beat them!
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Absolutely right, OC. I've always said words don't cause offence, its actions and intentions.
We were brought up on the mantra "sticks and stone may break my bones, but calling names won't hurt me".
Sometimes people look for a reason to be insulted when none exists, because our society is driven by "victim-hood" Everyone is encouraged to see themselves as a victim.
Someone scraped your car bumper, no worries claim £5000 for whiplash, take a few weeks off, and all the lawyers, and insurance brokers will be happy!
Its about time we stopped seeing ourselves as victims, and started being proud of what we are. And when people have pride, they don't feel insecure, and don't feel offended at every little comment.
I also often call my kids cheeky little monkeys, not because they are black but because they are little bast**ds sometimes, which is why I have to beat them!
Beat them --- ohhh er --- careful now, that's another issue :o
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Just read another over-reaction on the Guardian site. Apparently ITV has just apologised for refering to black folks as "coloured".
This is just bollocks! We were taught as kids that it was rude to use the word black - we had to use the term coloured!
You can't please some folks no matter what you do... :(
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Black board = chalk board
I'll ask my cousin, she's married to a, er, english bloke :)
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Black board = chalk board
I'll ask my cousin, she's married to a, er, english bloke :)
I could always ask MY cousin too - she's married to an, erm - black bloke ;D He's very self-effacing and is one of the first to come out with something entirely non PC about racism, while everyone else is holding back.....just in case. Not necessary when M is around.
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I'm so 'can't believe' she ain't answered me yet.
I've text her. ::)
She's obviously busy tonight ;-)
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There's another cracking one today
Last week the fans of Porto in surprisingly enough Portugal were reported to UEFA for what was alleged to be racist chanting directed toward 2 Manchester City players.
The return leg was in Manchester last night.
Porto have lodged a counter claim against what they refer to as 'improper behaviour' by the Manchester City fans.
Their crime?
Well you see Porto have a Brazillian striker who goes by the name of Hulk.
And he wasn't having a very good game
So what did the city fans chant at him?
Yep you've guessed it
'You're not Incredible' !!!!
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Reply from my cousin :)
Ah sorry for late reply - just got access to my fb account!!
******* and the kids preferred to be called black. I think back in the 60's and 70's the word coloured was used, but it was used in a patronising way, so black people took to using the term black (as in black power).
I think it is a bit like the term queer, where homosexual people took to using the term gay.
When the kids were at school they stopped using the term half caste as it was deemed offensive and started using mixed race. Now they are just pahising out mixed race and have started using dual heritage (what a load of old bollx!)
Anyhow a lot of it seems to be fitted around the times and political correctness, but certainlny from the peeps I know they prefer to be called black, mixed race or asian!
(Bet you wished you'd not asked!! haha)
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I'm glad I asked her. ;)
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There's another cracking one today
Last week the fans of Porto in surprisingly enough Portugal were reported to UEFA for what was alleged to be racist chanting directed toward 2 Manchester City players.
The return leg was in Manchester last night.
Porto have lodged a counter claim against what they refer to as 'improper behaviour' by the Manchester City fans.
Their crime?
Well you see Porto have a Brazillian striker who goes by the name of Hulk.
And he wasn't having a very good game
So what did the city fans chant at him?
Yep you've guessed it
'You're not Incredible' !!!!
LOL,
Best football chant I heard about.
There was once a Scottish Goalkeeper, I can't remember his name but lets call him John Smith.
One day he came out as suffering from schizophrenia, and there was a lot about it in the local media. That weekend, there he was in goal, with the crowd behind him chanting
"There's only two, John Smiths
two John Smiths, two John Smiths, there's only two John Smiths."
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Notice the BBC this morning have gone in for another subtle little piece of racism/nationalism.
They report on the decision of the World Boxing Council to ban Derek Chisora after his behaviour in his last fight (not just the brawl but also slapping his opponent at the weigh in and spitting water on his brother before the fight)
He's now being described as Zimbabwe born Chisora!!
Bit like how Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses.
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Notice the BBC this morning have gone in for another subtle little piece of racism/nationalism.
They report on the decision of the World Boxing Council to ban Derek Chisora after his behaviour in his last fight (not just the brawl but also slapping his opponent at the weigh in and spitting water on his brother before the fight)
He's now being described as Zimbabwe born Chisora!!
Bit like how Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses.
Sounds a bit like Look North. Someone makes it big or just the hits the headlines and they find the most tedious obscure link possible. I remember when Justin Hawkins from The Darkness got to Number One in the charts. Look North reported he'd studied at Huddersfield Uni - yeah for 2 weeks and was therefore linked to Yorkshire. Wow. 2 weeks!