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« on: November 10, 2014, 08:36:19 PM »
I overheard someone saying the other day that there are plans to change road signs from MPH to KPH to bring in line with other European countries.

Anyone know if theres any truth in it?  Mind you this was a conversation between 2 women, one who thought the national speed limit on a single track road was 50mph

Plus I also heard that on a roundabout, they can no longer paint a right pointing arrow as foreign drivers may assume they can turn right onto the roundabout.  If thats true, are other countries going to do it for when we drive over there?
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2014, 09:01:23 PM »
I have read where they are changing to metric however the example sign I saw had both displayed
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 09:08:08 PM »
Just Googled it Simon. Found nothing !!
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2014, 11:07:54 PM »
I think it may simply apply to bridge heights being shown in metric as well as imperial. I hope thats all it is. Can you imagine the cost of replacing every road sign in the UK to MPH & KPH :o
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 06:29:23 AM »
Can't see it. Bridge sign are displayed in both imperial and metric measures but doubt it anything else will change, maybe one day there could be dual signage an new motorways are built

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 10:43:34 AM »
I have definitely read it 'somewhere' and it gave an example of the metric and imperial, it's bugging me now as I can't remember where !
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 01:57:47 PM »
Hi, I heard it on the news the other day new signage will display Imp' and Metric for bridges etc. As all road signs are replaced about every ten years due to wear and tear then the new ones will go up. I don't think it will be long before road distances are in km's either :( ..............bloody Europe! :o :))
The railway is also looking to go into metric signage as well. Although I never did get the hang of milage and chains! :(

22yds in a Chain, 10 Chains in a Furlong and 80 Chains in a mile. :-? Each week we working notices informing us of all the relevent engineering thats taking place where we are running etc and its measured in miles and chains. So for example a particular bit of work will be taking place on the UP line at 156miles and 26 chains. So thats just over 156 1/4 miles ...............................from LONDON!!!! Except if you happen to be on the ex Great Central then it would be CLEETHORPES. cos thats where the original companys headquaters were based :-? Good in't it? :)) :))

This is from the "RAIL NEWS":-

End of the line for the mile, the chain and the yard

PLANS being prepared by Network Rail will see the eventual end of the Imperial mile, chain and yard on the National Rail network, as a metric switchover takes effect during the next couple of decades.

The move will be triggered by the progressive installation of the European Rail Traffic Management System on selected routes between now and the 2030s.

The decision has been taken by the industry’s Technical Standards Leadership Group, Railnews has been told.

Although it will be necessary to permit the spread of metric-only ERTMS, the change will bring speeds and also locations, as presently indicated by mileposts, into line with the measurements already used on the rest of the railway.
 
Metres, kilos and litres have been standard for some time in such areas as civil engineering and rolling stock construction and maintenance, while the current Rule Book uses metric measurements as the primary units for distances, although speeds are still shown in mph.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch also uses metric units by default, and translates the remaining Imperial terms where necessary.

The Rail Safety and Standards Board will now be assessing the implications of a further revision of the Rule Book and other documents to complete the changeover. At this early stage there are no firm costs or detailed timetable.

The traditional mileposts are expected to be replaced over time by new location markers at intervals of 500m or 1km. However, lineside speed restriction signs will become unnecessary in ERTMS areas, where information is given to the driver by screens in the cab instead.

Network Rail does have a derogation under the interoperability rules to show mph on cab screens as well, but a spokesman told Railnews that this option is ‘unlikely to be exercised’.

Thought this was interesting too:-


The basic unit of English length is the yard, which is often taken as the distance between Henry I's (1068-1135) nose and the tip of his outstretched arm.

Lengths
1 nail   = 2¼ inches
4 inches   = 1 hand
12 inches   = 1 foot
3 foot   = 1 yard
5.5 yards   = 1 rod
6 foot   = 1 fathom
22 yards   = 1 chain
100 links   = 1 chain
10 chains   = 1 furlong
8 furlongs   = 1 statute mile
6080 foot   = 1 nautical mile
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 02:00:54 PM »
Hi, I heard it on the news the other day new signage will display Imp' and Metric for bridges etc. As all road signs are replaced about every ten years due to wear and tear then the new ones will go up. I don't think it will be long before road distances are in km's either :( ..............bloody Europe! :o :))
The railway is also looking to go into metric signage as well. Although I never did get the hang of milage and chains! :(

22yds in a Chain, 10 Chains in a Furlong and 80 Chains in a mile. :-? Each week we working notices informing us of all the relevent engineering thats taking place where we are running etc and its measured in miles and chains. So for example a particular bit of work will be taking place on the UP line at 156miles and 26 chains. So thats just over 156 1/4 miles ...............................from LONDON!!!! Except if you happen to be on the ex Great Central then it would be CLEETHORPES. cos thats where the original companys headquaters were based :-? Good in't it? :)) :))

This is from the "RAIL NEWS":-

End of the line for the mile, the chain and the yard

PLANS being prepared by Network Rail will see the eventual end of the Imperial mile, chain and yard on the National Rail network, as a metric switchover takes effect during the next couple of decades.

The move will be triggered by the progressive installation of the European Rail Traffic Management System on selected routes between now and the 2030s.

The decision has been taken by the industry’s Technical Standards Leadership Group, Railnews has been told.

Although it will be necessary to permit the spread of metric-only ERTMS, the change will bring speeds and also locations, as presently indicated by mileposts, into line with the measurements already used on the rest of the railway.
 
Metres, kilos and litres have been standard for some time in such areas as civil engineering and rolling stock construction and maintenance, while the current Rule Book uses metric measurements as the primary units for distances, although speeds are still shown in mph.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch also uses metric units by default, and translates the remaining Imperial terms where necessary.

The Rail Safety and Standards Board will now be assessing the implications of a further revision of the Rule Book and other documents to complete the changeover. At this early stage there are no firm costs or detailed timetable.

The traditional mileposts are expected to be replaced over time by new location markers at intervals of 500m or 1km. However, lineside speed restriction signs will become unnecessary in ERTMS areas, where information is given to the driver by screens in the cab instead.

Network Rail does have a derogation under the interoperability rules to show mph on cab screens as well, but a spokesman told Railnews that this option is ‘unlikely to be exercised’.

Thought this was interesting too:-


The basic unit of English length is the yard, which is often taken as the distance between Henry I's (1068-1135) nose and the tip of his outstretched arm.

Lengths
1 nail   = 2¼ inches
4 inches   = 1 hand
12 inches   = 1 foot
3 foot   = 1 yard
5.5 yards   = 1 rod
6 foot   = 1 fathom
22 yards   = 1 chain
100 links   = 1 chain
10 chains   = 1 furlong
8 furlongs   = 1 statute mile
6080 foot   = 1 nautical mile


Pardon?
Could you repeat that please.  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 10:29:30 AM »
Yeah, sure! :)) :)) :)) :))


Hi, I heard it on the news the other day new signage will display Imp' and Metric for bridges etc. As all road signs are replaced about every ten years due to wear and tear then the new ones will go up. I don't think it will be long before road distances are in km's either  ..............bloody Europe! 
The railway is also looking to go into metric signage as well. Although I never did get the hang of milage and chains!

22yds in a Chain, 10 Chains in a Furlong and 80 Chains in a mile.  Each week we working notices informing us of all the relevent engineering thats taking place where we are running etc and its measured in miles and chains. So for example a particular bit of work will be taking place on the UP line at 156miles and 26 chains. So thats just over 156 1/4 miles ...............................from LONDON!!!! Except if you happen to be on the ex Great Central then it would be CLEETHORPES. cos thats where the original companys headquaters were based  Good in't it? 

This is from the "RAIL NEWS":-

End of the line for the mile, the chain and the yard

PLANS being prepared by Network Rail will see the eventual end of the Imperial mile, chain and yard on the National Rail network, as a metric switchover takes effect during the next couple of decades.

The move will be triggered by the progressive installation of the European Rail Traffic Management System on selected routes between now and the 2030s.

The decision has been taken by the industry’s Technical Standards Leadership Group, Railnews has been told.

Although it will be necessary to permit the spread of metric-only ERTMS, the change will bring speeds and also locations, as presently indicated by mileposts, into line with the measurements already used on the rest of the railway.
 
Metres, kilos and litres have been standard for some time in such areas as civil engineering and rolling stock construction and maintenance, while the current Rule Book uses metric measurements as the primary units for distances, although speeds are still shown in mph.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch also uses metric units by default, and translates the remaining Imperial terms where necessary.

The Rail Safety and Standards Board will now be assessing the implications of a further revision of the Rule Book and other documents to complete the changeover. At this early stage there are no firm costs or detailed timetable.

The traditional mileposts are expected to be replaced over time by new location markers at intervals of 500m or 1km. However, lineside speed restriction signs will become unnecessary in ERTMS areas, where information is given to the driver by screens in the cab instead.

Network Rail does have a derogation under the interoperability rules to show mph on cab screens as well, but a spokesman told Railnews that this option is ‘unlikely to be exercised’.

Thought this was interesting too:-


The basic unit of English length is the yard, which is often taken as the distance between Henry I's (1068-1135) nose and the tip of his outstretched arm.

Lengths
1 nail   = 2¼ inches
4 inches   = 1 hand
12 inches   = 1 foot
3 foot   = 1 yard
5.5 yards   = 1 rod
6 foot   = 1 fathom
22 yards   = 1 chain
100 links   = 1 chain
10 chains   = 1 furlong
8 furlongs   = 1 statute mile
6080 foot   = 1 nautical mile
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 12:23:02 PM »
@ Engine Driver  :):):))
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 02:18:52 PM »
Well, you did say..................................  :)) :))
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 04:41:59 PM »
Well, you did say..................................  :)) :))

Know what Thomas - you fit in perfectly on here  :):)) :)) - Totally crackers  :))
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2014, 11:43:07 AM »
Actually..................its Nige, :) Thomas is my son.........................no, really he is...................honest, he's 15 and at Springwell Colledge. :) :)
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2014, 12:40:10 PM »
Actually..................its Nige, :) Thomas is my son.........................no, really he is...................honest, he's 15 and at Springwell Colledge. :) :)

Well hello there 'Nige' welcome to the forum  ;), I didn't realise they had replace Thomas that must be why I haven't seen him chugging through the village lately  :))
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