when does an Insult become racism?

[therealjr]

I love the smell of Napalm in the morning!! (Probably misquoted that!)

[Pete]

No - you got it right

[Old Cruser]

Rightly or wrongly I feel that it is in some cases the people who 'think racist' who have had a problem with some of the words used like 'monkey' and so we cannot use it as someone has said towards someone who is black because it would be seemed as racist --- I have called my children/grandchildren and cat - 'monkey'
To me it means mischievous not 'black person' --- it's all in the mind ---  all in the mind!!!

[k4blades]

Absolutely right, OC. I've always said words don't cause offence, its actions and intentions.
We were brought up on the mantra "sticks and stone may break my bones, but calling names won't hurt me".
Sometimes people look for a reason to be insulted when none exists, because our society is driven by "victim-hood" Everyone is encouraged to see themselves as a victim.
Someone scraped your car bumper, no worries claim £5000 for whiplash, take a few weeks off, and all the lawyers, and insurance brokers will be happy!
Its about time we stopped seeing ourselves as victims, and started being proud of what we are. And when people have pride, they don't feel insecure, and don't feel offended at every little comment.
I also often call my kids cheeky little monkeys, not because they are black but because they are little bast**ds sometimes, which is why I have to beat them!

[Old Cruser]

Absolutely right, OC. I've always said words don't cause offence, its actions and intentions.
We were brought up on the mantra "sticks and stone may break my bones, but calling names won't hurt me".
Sometimes people look for a reason to be insulted when none exists, because our society is driven by "victim-hood" Everyone is encouraged to see themselves as a victim.
Someone scraped your car bumper, no worries claim £5000 for whiplash, take a few weeks off, and all the lawyers, and insurance brokers will be happy!
Its about time we stopped seeing ourselves as victims, and started being proud of what we are. And when people have pride, they don't feel insecure, and don't feel offended at every little comment.
I also often call my kids cheeky little monkeys, not because they are black but because they are little bast**ds sometimes, which is why I have to beat them!

Beat them --- ohhh er --- careful now,  that's another issue 

[Pete]

Just read another over-reaction on the Guardian site. Apparently ITV has just apologised for refering to black folks as "coloured".

This is just bollocks! We were taught as kids that it was rude to use the word black - we had to use the term coloured!

You can't please some folks no matter what you do... 

[Fly]

Black board = chalk board

I'll ask my cousin, she's married to a, er, english bloke 

[Gerty Gumdrop]

Black board = chalk board

I'll ask my cousin, she's married to a, er, english bloke 

I could always ask MY cousin too - she's married to an, erm - black bloke     He's very self-effacing and is one of the first to come out with something entirely non PC about racism, while everyone else is holding back.....just in case.  Not necessary when M is around.

[Fly]

I'm so 'can't believe' she ain't answered me yet.
I've text her. 
She's obviously busy tonight ;-)

[therealjr]

There's another cracking one today
Last week the fans of Porto in surprisingly enough Portugal were reported to UEFA for what was alleged to be racist chanting directed toward 2 Manchester City players.
The return leg was in Manchester last night.
Porto have lodged a counter claim against what they refer to as 'improper behaviour' by the Manchester City fans.
Their crime?
Well you see Porto have a Brazillian striker who goes by the name of Hulk.
And he wasn't having a very good game
So what did the city fans chant at him?
Yep you've guessed it
'You're not Incredible' !!!!

[Fly]

Reply from my cousin 

Ah sorry for late reply - just got access to my fb account!!

******* and the kids preferred to be called black. I think back in the 60's and 70's the word coloured was used, but it was used in a patronising way, so black people took to using the term black (as in black power).
I think it is a bit like the term queer, where homosexual people took to using the term gay.

When the kids were at school they stopped using the term half caste as it was deemed offensive and started using mixed race. Now they are just pahising out mixed race and have started using dual heritage (what a load of old bollx!)

Anyhow a lot of it seems to be fitted around the times and political correctness, but certainlny from the peeps I know they prefer to be called black, mixed race or asian!

(Bet you wished you'd not asked!! haha)

[Fly]

I'm glad I asked her. 

[k4blades]

There's another cracking one today
Last week the fans of Porto in surprisingly enough Portugal were reported to UEFA for what was alleged to be racist chanting directed toward 2 Manchester City players.
The return leg was in Manchester last night.
Porto have lodged a counter claim against what they refer to as 'improper behaviour' by the Manchester City fans.
Their crime?
Well you see Porto have a Brazillian striker who goes by the name of Hulk.
And he wasn't having a very good game
So what did the city fans chant at him?
Yep you've guessed it
'You're not Incredible' !!!!

LOL,
Best football chant I heard about.
There was once a Scottish Goalkeeper, I can't remember his name but lets call him John Smith.
One day he came out as suffering from schizophrenia, and there was a lot about it in the local media. That weekend, there he was in goal, with the crowd behind him chanting
"There's only two, John Smiths
two John Smiths, two John Smiths, there's only two John Smiths."

[therealjr]

Notice the BBC this morning have gone in for another subtle little piece of racism/nationalism.
They report on the decision of the World Boxing Council to ban Derek Chisora after his behaviour in his last fight (not just the brawl but also slapping his opponent at the weigh in and spitting water on his brother before the fight)
He's now being described as Zimbabwe born Chisora!!
Bit like how Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses.

[simondjuk]

Notice the BBC this morning have gone in for another subtle little piece of racism/nationalism.
They report on the decision of the World Boxing Council to ban Derek Chisora after his behaviour in his last fight (not just the brawl but also slapping his opponent at the weigh in and spitting water on his brother before the fight)
He's now being described as Zimbabwe born Chisora!!
Bit like how Andy Murray is British when he wins and Scottish when he loses.

Sounds a bit like Look North.  Someone makes it big or just the hits the headlines and they find the most tedious obscure link possible.  I remember when Justin Hawkins from The Darkness got to Number One in the charts.  Look North reported he'd studied at Huddersfield Uni - yeah for 2 weeks and was therefore linked to Yorkshire.  Wow.  2 weeks!