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chesterfieldchris

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« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2012, 10:36:55 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2012, 12:02:19 PM »
The motivation to do well comes from the fact that the more you earn, the more you take home, if we didn't have a penalative tax system, that is.

And its daft comparing it to the cost of a loaf of bread, you could take your arguemnt to the other extreme and suggest the likes of multi-millionaires should get tax credits, etc, In fact they do get the winter fuel allowance if they are pensioners. As for as I'm concerned, taypayers money should be used to help those in need, not to help people make life choices.
You give your own example, and I agree with you, its up to individual families to decide what they want, but if they choose to have kids, why should the state pay for that. I don't expect the state to buy me a bigger car or house, etc.
And the examples you give, however the monies split, they are hardly on the bread line.

But as you suggest, they shouldn't be penalised for doing well. Their reward comes because they have more in their pocket due to lower taxes being paid. Or do you think lower taxes should be funded by just penalising those at the bottom of the pay scale? 
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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2012, 01:00:15 PM »
>> Either everyone should get it (for their first two children) or nobody should

I like this idea - I've always thought that two people have two kids - anyone wanting a large family should pay for it themselves.
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k4blades

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2012, 01:17:34 PM »
Chris, I think we agree on the principles, (mostly, and certainly the flat tax idea has proven to be very successful around the world), but in relation to CB the issue is where you draw the line. Where ever that is there will be winners and losers, and while ever there are loses, someone will be finding an argument to change the principle.

I know you are new on here, but regular readers will confirm that I'm the last person that wants the rich to be treated worse than the rest, not that I am rich, but like yourself take a view that's less political and more economic, and looking at it from that stance it is ridiculous to penalise the rich or success. I've even dared to support bankers in the past. (Not everything they do though.)
Its good to have a bit of company amidst this blaggard of lefties. :)  :) :)
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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2012, 01:50:05 PM »
>> Its good to have a bit of company amidst this blaggard of lefties.

I do hope you're not classifying me as a leftie - I admit to being on the side of the old, youth and certain other under-represented groups when called for an opinion.

I classify myself, on these forums, as a topic starter, that's all.  ;)

And stop inventing new collective nouns!  :P
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k4blades

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2012, 05:29:34 PM »
 :) :) :) :) :) :) Admit it, you was secretely in love with Gordon Brown......


Again I agree with what Chris saying about the backlash about taxes, but I think its more than just the waste in the public sector. I think people wouldn't mind a little hardship if it was genuinely for "the better good". Which is why the Tories didn't suffer much in the polls in the first two years, people know what needs to be done.
The problem is we are going through the pain without any of the gain. We are in recession not because of spending cuts but because of fear and lack of confidence due to all the financial mismanagement across the western world over the past 5 - 10 years.
In reality public spending is still increasing, and hardly a day goes by without we hear of more waste and incompetence. Councils go out and spend countless thousands on new branding, something I doubt was mentioned in any manifesto or discussed publicly, but as a consequence of tighter funding, people will get laid off. Thats why there's a backlash against the way politicians are running things. 
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Pete

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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2012, 05:41:34 PM »
>> Admit it, you was secretely in love with Gordon Brown......

You're kidding, I loathe the man - wouldn't trust him with our yard brush.  >:(

Otherwise, I find myself generally agreeing with you again. Hard to believe I know...  :P
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2012, 05:51:48 PM »
Quote from: Pete on May 14, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
Otherwise, I find myself generally agreeing with you again. Hard to believe I know...  :P

Looks like this could be the start of a beautiful friendship?!  8)
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