Tax avoidance

[therealjr]

So here's an interesting question.
Mechanic fixes my car.
says the bill is £100 but if I don't want an invoice he will only charge me £80.
I've saved 20%
Millionaire owes the IR £1m in taxes.
His accountant finds various loopholes meaning he only has to pay £800k.
We have both broken the law but most people would be guilty of the 1st but up in arms about the second.
Is this hypocrisy in action again?

[Fly]

Yes it's hypocrisy, but it's the scale of it that's the problem. £20 is half a day's wage to many. £200,000 is 13 years wages to me.   

[therealjr]

Yes it's hypocrisy, but it's the scale of it that's the problem. £20 is half a day's wage to many. £200,000 is 13 years wages to me.

But it's a half days wage to a millionaire.

[Pete]

This sounds like the conversations we had with you know who.

Have you got a Conservative's dictionary Jon?

[Fly]

But it's a half days wage to a millionaire.

His loaf of bread is the same price as mine, that leaves him a lot of fu**in pocket money 

[Fly]

He is playing up to the politics of envy and taking advantage of the mindset aptly demonstrated on the socialist republic of Chesterfield site. Tax avoidance by the poor (dodging £20 vat by paying cash in hand) is fine, but a rich person dodging £200,000 is wrong. Even if that represents the same percentage of the persons income.
So I'll ask for about the millionth time.. where is the magic number over which your earnings put you into the rich, shouldn't dodge tax, toff club?
£15k a year, £30k, 50? 100? 200? A million?
When avoiding tax what's the magic number where it becomes immoral?
£20 is obviously fine according to the socialists, and £200k isn't. So where is the line. £100? £200? 500? 1k, 5k, 10k? 100k?
They must have an answer because they know that £20 is fine and £200,000 isn't
.

Oy, lard arse, where has anybody said it was ok. If you want a pop at people on here, post on here. You've blagged an account. Don't treat us as fucking idiots !!

[Pete]

Steady on Fly, I'd rather have Katy Hopkins on here...  ) ) )

[Fly]

You can always tell when you've won the debate when the other person resorts to playground behaviour.

Er, you started this one, and it wasn't a debate. Just a dig by you this way 
Here's me trying not to participate in squabbles. Oh well !!

I don't envy you, BTW, I pity you 

[Big Dave 2]

I don't know who posted the unattributed quote above, but they don't appear to know the difference between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal).

Paying cash to evade paying VAT is illegal, using lawyers to find legal loopholes to avoid paying tax is legal. The amounts involved are irrelevant in law. Like it or loathe it, that's how it is.

[Slacker]

What about favour for favour skill sharing between 2 mates, I'll build you a wall you spray my car?

[Pete]

I think this sort of thing is ludicrous - the very rich avoid paying billions in tax and justify it by saying that poor people also avoid paying tax.

Maybe there would be no need for anyone to pay huge amounts in tax if everyone paid their fair share in the first place.

But I find it difficult to sympathise with well-off people when their wealth is given to them by their parents. Whereas I totally admire someone from a poor background who builds a successful business by their own hard work.

[Fly]

I don't know who posted the unattributed quote above

I do, he's going out with his wife to buy her everything she wants today, he said earlier in a child like "I've got it, let's flaunt it type way.", whilst he looks at delivery times for a new car.
But as usual he's since edited his post after realising what a spoilt brat it made him look !! 

Marines, boats, envy LOL  )

[Pete]

>> But as usual he's since edited his post after

He's good at that - and banning people when he can't win the argument - typical Tory Boy.  ) ) )

[Fly]

Contrary to the belief of some. . .
I don't resent rich people or what they have, many of my relatives are far richer than me.
What they don't do is shove that fact in other people's faces, bolshy, big headed, smart arse style.
I had 5 holidays last year, I have two booked at present this year. I have more than a lot of other people too.
My greatest achievement, I think, is my circle of great friends and associates, both at work and in my social life.
That is something money can't buy 

[Pete]

Agree with you on that one mate, a lesson certain others should take notice of.