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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Fly on September 17, 2012, 07:33:05 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/sep/17/gcses-replaced-english-baccalaureate?newsfeed=true (http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/sep/17/gcses-replaced-english-baccalaureate?newsfeed=true)
Can't see what was wrong with the old system before the tories changed it back in the 80's ??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stories/june/20/newsid_2516000/2516847.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stories/june/20/newsid_2516000/2516847.stm)
Discuss.
I've got O'levels and CSE's
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I've got an RSA! C:-)
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I must admit I was always good/lucky at exams, but I knew that there were others in my class that were better overall.
So the new system would suit me, but not the diligent types that were really nervous about exams.
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Amusing interview on the politics show yesterday.
Andrew Neil was questioning a Labour representative over the changes. Her stance was that they, Labour, have poured billions into education and seen standards grow over the past couple of decades. He responded by saying that that is the common line from some of those in education and the Labour party, but that every single independent international measure has seen us slip down the league tables, in some cases substantially and this is backed up by employers and universities who say todays school leavers are just not as educated as they used to be. He pressed his point several times but she refused to address his question and finally admitted that Labour, if they win the next election would probably keep the changes.
The fun continued when they then started to discuss welfare cuts and she sat there slagging off the Govt for what cuts they are doing to benefits. So he asked her if the welfare budget would increase under a Labour Govt to which she replied no. He then said in that case, you would have to cut something, so what would you cut. She said we don't know yet. HA HA
If labour want to be credible, its about time they stopped constantly slagging off the Govt. and put forward their own ideas, solutions, etc.
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So he asked her if the welfare budget would increase under a Labour Govt to which she replied no. He then said in that case, you would have to cut something, so what would you cut. She said we don't know yet. HA HA
If labour want to be credible, its about time they stopped constantly slagging off the Govt. and put forward their own ideas, solutions, etc.
Firstly I assume thats a typo on your part because if she said no to the welfare budget increasing there would be no need for cuts elsewhere.
Secondly (and less pedantically) as I've said before if you go back to the general election campaign you will find that BOTH the parties said that cuts would be necessary but neither were willing to say what they would cut. That held true right up to election day, let alone 2 years out.
Finally much as I hate defending politicians (unless I'm getting paid to do it ;) ) answer me this. You are as far as I am aware (and I say this with the deepest of respect) a one man band in a small niche part of the economy, correct? If I asked you today to give me a clear picture of the predicted state of your business on June 1st 2015 how accurate could you be? What imponderables would you wish to take into account? What basis would you use for predicting income? Expenditure? Growth?
Now imagine a government trying to do the same thing. Whilst having to react to things outside of its control. Like the Euro zone crisis or wars or natural disasters? Why do you expect them to be any accurate than you could be simply because you want a soundbite from a junior opposition minister on a TV programme?
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It was actually the callaghan labour government that decided on making the changes. The Tories just delayed it until the mid 80s.
I didn't know that, it wasn't really a tory bash I posted, just a statement.
Could the tories not have gone with the changes ?
Surely kids should be taught the 3r's throughout the initial school years. Plus a mixture of others.
Then decide which lessons they want to pursue for the later years of their education.
I can't see getting grades at different years, then polling them later helps.
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Problem withe altering exams over the years is how does an employer compare like with like?
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I don't think they can Slacker.
Bit like the NVQ's, don't want an argument with K4 on this one again though.
What's the GCSE equivalent of my:
GCE Grade C Physics. (O'level pass)
CSE Grade A Physics. (O'level equivalent pass)
See, I've got 2 O'levels in Physics 8)
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I couldn't agree with you more Cc, nice post :)
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Congratulations K4 - you've won "Hypocrite of the Month" award!
If I'd posted that about the Conservatives, you'd have squealed like a little girl.
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I couldn't agree with you more Cc, nice post :)
Me too, remember reading an emailed job application that was without a single punctuation mark , people were amazed when I consigned it to the bin. My explanation was that, if that was the best they could do - which it should have been - then that just wasn't good enough.
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Firstly I assume thats a typo on your part because if she said no to the welfare budget increasing there would be no need for cuts elsewhere.
Secondly (and less pedantically) as I've said before if you go back to the general election campaign you will find that BOTH the parties said that cuts would be necessary but neither were willing to say what they would cut. That held true right up to election day, let alone 2 years out.
Finally much as I hate defending politicians (unless I'm getting paid to do it ;) ) answer me this. You are as far as I am aware (and I say this with the deepest of respect) a one man band in a small niche part of the economy, correct? If I asked you today to give me a clear picture of the predicted state of your business on June 1st 2015 how accurate could you be? What imponderables would you wish to take into account? What basis would you use for predicting income? Expenditure? Growth?
Now imagine a government trying to do the same thing. Whilst having to react to things outside of its control. Like the Euro zone crisis or wars or natural disasters? Why do you expect them to be any accurate than you could be simply because you want a soundbite from a junior opposition minister on a TV programme?
She was objecting to the Govts cuts, suggesting that they would reinstate them. The Govts intention is to reduce the welfare budget, (though I suspect they will fail), so for Labour to reinstate any Govt cuts, would increase the budget from what the Govt get it down to, unless they cut something else.
No, I can't plan exactly what I will be doing with my business in 2 years time, if thats what you are asking me. However, I won't be spending the next 2 years slagging off my competitiors either. I will plan a "framework" of where I want to go, and though events may get in the way of specifics, I won't promise my customers one thing, knowing that I will never be able to deliver it. A good example, prior to the election, one of my major clients was a provider of Home Information Packs. Both the Cons and Libs made it clear that if they won the election, they would scrap HIPs, which they did almost straight away, losing me a lot of business. But instead of moaning about it, I planned for it, was flexible, and adapted my business accordingly.
No one expects a line by line breakdown of what might happen to the Govts accounts, but the people who vote for politicians deserve politicians who will be honest, and stick to the principles.
(And as for Labour saying they would have to cut if they won the last election, only half true, some, like Ed Balls, still think we should be spending more.)
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I don't think they can Slacker.
Bit like the NVQ's, don't want an argument with K4 on this one again though.
What's the GCSE equivalent of my:
GCE Grade C Physics. (O'level pass)
CSE Grade A Physics. (O'level equivalent pass)
See, I've got 2 O'levels in Physics 8)
Oy, I don't think I've ever argued about NVQs have I?
I agree with Slacker though, too many different qualifications, including A levels, AS levels, etc and a single exam that even extends into vocational learning would be simpler to understand and compare.
I also agree with CChris, as someone who spent years hiring and firing, I learnt to ignore the exams on the application forms and pay more attention to how it was filled in. And I've seen countless examples of people with degrees been given a job, then not having an ounce of common sense.
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Congratulations K4 - you've won "Hypocrite of the Month" award!
If I'd posted that about the Conservatives, you'd have squealed like a little girl.
Why am I a hypocrite. Anybody who ever took the time to read my post would know that I have consistently attacked polticians, of all parties, who spend all their time slagging others off, instead of being constructive, principled, honest, etc. Which is probably why I also spend a lot of time knocking your posts. Just like the post where you said "anyone who disagreed with you would have a fight on their hands".
I'm all for debating issues, but prefer constuctive debate with ideas and solutions based on an individuals experiences and principles, constant slagging off is childish and silly, which is why I highlighted this particular interview.
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anyone who disagreed with you would have a fight on their hands
Isn't/hasn't this statement been misconstrued ?
Even originally, never mind to quote for a second time
Back on topic girls LOL ;D
Blame the Zyban, I've had a double dose today ;)
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Oy, I don't think I've ever argued about NVQs have I?
Not on here. ;)
Or was it DerbyRams, I'm probably wrong. I will of course apologise if I have a bad memory ;)
Dons detective hat for tomorrow evening ;)
Wasn't a dig either way, just seem to remember you backing NVQ's, kids leaving school, needing further qualifications etc
Things they should have been taught in school.
My argument was they aren't worth the paper they are printed on :)
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Sorry k4, it wasn't you ;)
http://www.chesterfieldforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2900&hilit=nvq%27s (http://www.chesterfieldforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2900&hilit=nvq%27s)
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K4 - once again you miss-quote me - twisting meanings, ranting and raving will not get you anywhere.
But carry on like that and I will ban you.
Fact.
Try me.
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Bedtime me thinks.
Blame the Zyban, I've had a double dose today
Preferably the only 'ban' we see on here :-X
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The standard of written English seems to have gone down hill not only on social media sites but even people whose job is to write down phone messages. Many mistake "you're & "your", "passed" & "past", "there","their" & "they're" and most annoyingly "have" & "of".
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However, I won't be spending the next 2 years slagging off my competitiors either.
So you're telling me that if I rang you up to talk about doing some work for me and I happened to mention one of your competitors, you wouldn't claim to be better than them?
(And as for Labour saying they would have to cut if they won the last election, only half true, some, like Ed Balls, still think we should be spending more.)
They may think that, indeed they probably said that public expenditure on capital projects was the way to drive the economy but they still agreed at the time that cuts were necessary but never said where.
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K4 - once again you miss-quote me - twisting meanings, ranting and raving will not get you anywhere.
But carry on like that and I will ban you.
Fact.
Try me.
Who's ranting, not me. And who's the hypocrite. This forum was set up because you thought people should be free to say what they want, presumably only if they aren't holding you to account.
I have no problem with anyone person critising any one political party but you make childish and silly comments, failing to back up your comments with credible argument or fact. Banning me won't change that fact, it will just prove I'm right, like I've said before, you aren't capable of arguing the issues, (this one about education), so instead you launch into a personal attack on me.
So go ahead and ban me if thats what you want to do, but please grow some balls and explain to the few remaining members exactly why, at least the free speech issue on the last forum was about "offensive language", here its about whether or not I agree with you.
Grow up Pete!
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By Pete:
If anyone here thinks that we should do this to compete with India, China, etc. - they've got a fight on their hands...
By K4:
Just like the post where you said "anyone who disagreed with you would have a fight on their hands".
Like Pete said, looks like a bit of a twist on his original post.
I personally think Pete was on about, we(country)
Did you mis-read this like I did your HIS(Skinners) post :)
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At the time of me posting that, I did not know K4 had been banned.
I have since been informed, and seen his post on CF, which I find a very unfair and twisted story of events.
I've just read, read, read, and re-read this thread he mentions on CF
http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1869.0.html (http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1869.0.html)
I back Pete's decision. MD
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There is a lot you don't know Chris, but I don't believe in arguing back and forth in public.
I'll PM you later when I've calmed down.
Meanwhile, I am locking this thread, but not deleting or snipping it.
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Even after getting banned, he then goes onto CF and lies.
AFAIK. Guests still have full rights to view this forum.
I cannot access, read or contribute in anyway to that forum
His IP wasn't banned. Come on Cc, I know your t'internet savvy. He's got access to view the forum.
Yes the ban may be questionable.
Reason: A mod doesn't need one.
As quoted on the SheffieldForum,. If you don't like the moderation.
There's plenty of other forums.
Before pulling me or Pete down, not one post has been edited or cut.
They're all there to be read.
PS. Didn't mean you 'are' pulling me or Pete down
Hope this gets through.
Edit: Of course it gets through, I'm a mod LOL
I got the message telling me another post had been made, but posted my reply anyway.