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Title: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on January 16, 2012, 08:52:12 PM
Peacocks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/16/peacock-past-times-administration (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/16/peacock-past-times-administration)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 18, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
Pay freezes = people spend on necessities not luxuries
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on January 18, 2012, 06:24:25 PM
I dont think it's that Andy - that's a more current reason, truth is the town centres have been dying for many years as a result of out of town retail parks with big brand names, easy parking etc.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on January 18, 2012, 06:33:04 PM
So when the donut get's developed, and the waterside project is up and running,
what's going to happen to the town centre.
Vicar Lane.
Precinct, Low Pavements.
Ravenside retail park.
Or the 'newly developed Market Hall' ??

I just don't get it  :-\


Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on January 18, 2012, 06:41:39 PM
The brilliant minds at the council need to get a plan together not sit on their bums and just let it happen.

I have heard of several folks who wanted to do some sort of business in the town centre only to be thwarted by the council.

Also, why won't they reduce the rents a little to give entrepreneurs a chance? Instead of just leaving shops empty, which then get neglected and the whole image of town starts to look like a scruffy ghost town.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on January 18, 2012, 07:17:50 PM
If Chesterfield is supposed to be an 'Historic Market Town',
why can't people leave it that way?
Isn't that why people come to town visiting.
To see a Market Town. Not a would be city and another Meadowhall ?
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on January 18, 2012, 07:27:42 PM
They should change the title "Historic Market Town" to "Typical Sh*thole Town With Typical Retail Parks".

The council have a duty of care to stop the town sliding into disuse and misuse.

If I were a *cough* councilor I wouldn't want to be associated with the death of such lovely town centre. They need someone with vision and determination to get involved and make something happen - local politicians are a bunch of defeatists if you ask me, look at what ordinary folks did when they got behind the canal renovations - it goes from strength to strength!

Left to the council it would be a ditch full of rubbish, old shopping trollys, etc.

IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 18, 2012, 08:10:59 PM
The ones that are closing down are chains so in no way the fault of Chesterfield which has higher percentage occupancy than many other towns.

Surely refurbishing the market hall and bringing it up to modern standards, with the help of grants and outside money, is a positive move?

No town centre can compete with an out of town outlet in terms of parking. Reducing rents would be good in times of economic prosperity but can't see it happening in the current climate.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on January 18, 2012, 08:16:21 PM
Your thoughts about the other planned developments Andy. Donut etc
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on January 18, 2012, 08:17:00 PM
>> Surely refurbishing the market hall and bringing it up to modern standards, with the help of grants and outside money, is a positive move?

Yes it is - but it's only a start, in itself it only partially addresses a bigger problem.

Come on Andy - get yer thinking cap on, we'll support you! :)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 18, 2012, 09:27:24 PM
I am in favour of the new developments. The Donut is narrowed down to a couple of developers with different layout plans and parking has to be included in it.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on January 18, 2012, 11:00:27 PM
Plus ca change!
Pavements gets developed. Kills Cavendish Street/Stephensons Place
Vicar Lane gets developed, kills the Pavements centre
Donut gets redeveloped, probably kills Vicar Lane
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on January 19, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Pay freezes = people spend on necessities not luxuries

You also said this recently:
Maybe because when you look at spending power petrol, energy and just general shopping a pay freeze means a pay cut. A call for these prices to be held down would have gone down a lot better.

So are you suggesting that employers increase wages and benefits, and at the same time cut their prices, reducing their profits further.....with that business model, surely there would be even more businesses closing.

We would all have more money in our pockets if there was a cut in council tax too, would you do that and then still give council employees a pay rise, if not, how can businesses.

Oh I do find it so easy and so much fun, pulling apart Labours understanding of economics.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on January 19, 2012, 10:14:23 AM
The "High Street" is changing but it always has. Yes, we are losing lots of big names, but look at the new shops replacing them. New Look is a big player now, that hardly existed some years ago, coffee chains, etc, and who'd have thought a few years ago, that shops would open where you can go and have your feet nibbled by fish.

The public are moving away from buying "stuff" from the shops, they can get that online, but people do like to go out, and shops need to be more leisure based, such as pubs or restaurants. I think a lot of the big players will try and keep a site on the high street, but only to act as a "shop front" to their online business, so customers can collect / return orders, or go in to have a look at a product.

It would be a shame if Chesterfield tried to compete with the likes of Meadowhall, it will fail. And the council should NOT spend money on new buildings (which don't stay new very long), while there are old buildings sat empty.

What the council should do is play to Chesterfields strengths, people will visit the town if its a good place to visit. (And that includes appealing to tourists as well as local shoppers, as we are ideally situated with M1 on one side and all that lovely countryside on the other.

So what the town centre needs is lots of parking, (free or cheap), lots of clean toilets, etc, sheltered and pedestrian areas, to feel safe, ( security cameras and police on beat), places to sit, places that are interesting or attractive to look at, etc. So the canal side development should go ahead, lets get a few small bars and bistros, etc, there, some boats on the canal, a few small green areas. If the donut is going to be developed lets not go for the obvious choice of retail units, how about an indoor skiing thing like Milton Keynes, or some sort of internet cafe/library/technology centre, a small music venue to compete/compliment Winding Wheel, a dance center (strictly is very popular at the moment), a planetarium, ( stargazing is suddenly very popular). The point being that shops are not the future, leisure activities are what will bring people to the town, but it needs to be done in a way that doesn't spoil what we have, as Pete said, we don't want to be "another typical sh*thole town".   

PS, just heard that Screwfix  are opening on Derby Road.

Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on January 19, 2012, 10:18:24 AM
But surely based on Slacker's model if I sell 1 item for a £1  on which I make 40p profit it would be better to charge 80p make 20p per item profit  and hopefully sell more of them?
Primark announced increased sales of 16% this morning whereas Marks and Next are struggling?
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on January 19, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
I think without that, there would be more struggling. There have been lots of prices slashed, sales, etc, well before Christmas, with retailers working on tighter margins. They can only do this because they have very tight control on costs, I know someone who has just negotiated a massive rent decrease. And that is not the climate for demanding pay increases and fancy pensions.
Yes, its tough, we all want to earn as much as possible, but for that we need a booming economy, so we need an environment that is good for business.

I was thinking the other day, (after lots of slagging off of Mrs T),  how many on the left want to see the redistribution of wealth, rob the rich to feed the poor, etc. Yet the biggest wealth distributions we have seen in modern times, were privatisations of the 80s which lead to lots of "ordinary" people becoming shareholders and having a stake in the stock market. Something unimaginable at one point.
This was followed up by the right to buy, funded often by these share deals too. So people became home owners for the first time, also something many thought they would never be able to do.
The universities were opened up so people who thought they would never go to Uni could. 
And all this from Thatcher.
What did Blair do for the poor, well he introduced the minimum wage. But every single report looking into this has said that the gap between rich and poor grew under Blair. And by the time Labour left office, young people are again thinking they will never own property, and will have to spend their lives paying rent to a landlord.

Nothings perfect in a lot of things that have happened over the years, but why do Labour try and make out that they know best when it comes to looking after working class people. Labour want people to stay "working class" as then they are more likely to vote Labour, but if anyone succeeds and then becomes middle class, they tend to vote Tory so they better not succeed!
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Old Cruser on January 19, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
Chesterfield has 'moved' the town centre before thus causing business's to struggle.
I worked in old woolies years ago when the town centre was 'moved' to the precinct area, I remember takings dropping back then, and they are STILL doing it. if they go ahead with the donut plans
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on January 19, 2012, 03:18:54 PM

I was thinking the other day, (after lots of slagging off of Mrs T),  how many on the left want to see the redistribution of wealth, rob the rich to feed the poor, etc. Yet the biggest wealth distributions we have seen in modern times, were privatisations of the 80s which lead to lots of "ordinary" people becoming shareholders and having a stake in the stock market. Something unimaginable at one point.
Except that the majority of the ordinary people took the inital profit and sold the shares back to the institutions who want them run for rpofit rather than for the good of the public. (Incidentally I choose to ignore the fact that what she actually did was sell us something we already owned!!

This was followed up by the right to buy, funded often by these share deals too. So people became home owners for the first time, also something many thought they would never be able to do..
Which was fine except that the councils weren't allowed to spend the money coming in to build new houses which is why we find ourselves in the mess we are now with no affordable housing.
The universities were opened up so people who thought they would never go to Uni could.  ..
To do a degree in media studies or sports sciences?? Lets be fair all that did is what it is still doing today. Keeps '000's of the unemployment registers and gets the young into debt.
And all this from Thatcher. ..

and then you wonder why she gets blamed for all the country's ills?
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on January 19, 2012, 06:01:55 PM
Except that the majority of the ordinary people took the inital profit and sold the shares back to the institutions who want them run for rpofit rather than for the good of the public. (Incidentally I choose to ignore the fact that what she actually did was sell us something we already owned!!

As I said, they made some money rather than those in the city, which was my point, wealth was being re-distributed.
(And just because something is publicly owned, doesn't mean you actually "own" as an individual, you can't go down to local hospital and walk out with equipment, or the local army camp and walk out with a gun......so you couldn't gain anything personally from something being publicly owned).

Which was fine except that the councils weren't allowed to spend the money coming in to build new houses which is why we find ourselves in the mess we are now with no affordable housing.

Agreed, they should have invested in more housing, but Labour didn't change that either.

To do a degree in media studies or sports sciences?? Lets be fair all that did is what it is still doing today. Keeps '000's of the unemployment registers and gets the young into debt.

I also agree with that. I did say that nothings perfect, lots of mistakes have been made or could have been done bettter. But my point is that under Mrs T, a lot of people found themselves better off and more benefitted financially than under Labour.....and they came to power during a booming economy.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 19, 2012, 08:59:05 PM
The "High Street" is changing but it always has. Yes, we are losing lots of big names, but look at the new shops replacing them. New Look is a big player now, that hardly existed some years ago, coffee chains, etc, and who'd have thought a few years ago, that shops would open where you can go and have your feet nibbled by fish.

The public are moving away from buying "stuff" from the shops, they can get that online, but people do like to go out, and shops need to be more leisure based, such as pubs or restaurants. I think a lot of the big players will try and keep a site on the high street, but only to act as a "shop front" to their online business, so customers can collect / return orders, or go in to have a look at a product.

It would be a shame if Chesterfield tried to compete with the likes of Meadowhall, it will fail. And the council should NOT spend money on new buildings (which don't stay new very long), while there are old buildings sat empty.

What the council should do is play to Chesterfields strengths, people will visit the town if its a good place to visit. (And that includes appealing to tourists as well as local shoppers, as we are ideally situated with M1 on one side and all that lovely countryside on the other.

So what the town centre needs is lots of parking, (free or cheap), lots of clean toilets, etc, sheltered and pedestrian areas, to feel safe, ( security cameras and police on beat), places to sit, places that are interesting or attractive to look at, etc. So the canal side development should go ahead, lets get a few small bars and bistros, etc, there, some boats on the canal, a few small green areas. If the donut is going to be developed lets not go for the obvious choice of retail units, how about an indoor skiing thing like Milton Keynes, or some sort of internet cafe/library/technology centre, a small music venue to compete/compliment Winding Wheel, a dance center (strictly is very popular at the moment), a planetarium, ( stargazing is suddenly very popular). The point being that shops are not the future, leisure activities are what will bring people to the town, but it needs to be done in a way that doesn't spoil what we have, as Pete said, we don't want to be "another typical sh*thole town".   

PS, just heard that Screwfix  are opening on Derby Road.

I would be happy with a pay freeze if there was also a price freeze.

Increased parking is good if there is space for it. For it all to be free with limited space would create too much demand than supply which is why it is dearer in the centre of town than on the outskirts.

Milton Keynes had a clean sheet to start with unlike here where we have maintained the character of the town.

Not sure why we need another council run music venue as well as the winding wheel.

Isn't there a planetarium at Newbold? Are there enough people interested to have another?

Hopefully the canal development will contain some leisure activities but it will depend on private investment (which is preferable to private companies taking over facilities paid for by council tax payers)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on January 19, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
There's an observatory at Newbold.
Plantaterium is a different thing
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 19, 2012, 10:08:21 PM
Oops, knew it was something spaced out
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on January 19, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
Personally I wouldn't want to see us chasing trends. The Sheffield Ski Village is now under utilised. Too many golf courses were built in the mid 80's and early 90's and now they are all chasing too few golfers.
We are not going to attract big enough names to support 2 concert venues.
Personally I'd like to see the donut idea scrapped and the money used to improve the existing town centre.
Of course the problem is that the grants that are no doubt being spent on this scheme are only available for new build not for refurbishments.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on January 19, 2012, 10:58:10 PM
Good post!
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on January 20, 2012, 07:09:15 PM
So 3(?) developers have submitted plans for the Donut. Great.
That's 3 developer MD's hoping to get their hands on the millions of pounds of grant money the council can have.
They don't give a sh1t about Chesterfield. They'll do the job, pay their workers, and make a huge profit.

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours  :P
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on January 22, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
I wasn't favouring any one idea over another, and certainly wasn't suggesting that there should be a council run venue....I'm not that daft. I was simply making the point, which I think most would agree with, is that we don't want more empty retail units.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Slacker on January 22, 2012, 07:22:45 PM
Instead of the 50s or 60s stuff normally playing at past Times at McArthur Glen they had some crappy club type music on today at high volume.

Surely a protest at impending redundancy?
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: mycul on January 24, 2012, 08:11:14 PM
and then still give council employees a pay rise,

Oh yippee, am I getting a pay rise?
News to me, not had one for 2 years and not getting one for another year
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: karl1981 on February 02, 2012, 08:53:21 AM
what the council need to do is promote the town more and but on more summer activites for familys instead of them sitting on there arses and drinking tea and eating biscuits at the tax payers exspense
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
Read a bit of good news today, apparently Bonmarche, the women's clothing store, is not going to be closed after all. The new owners are going to keep it open.

Good news for a few workers there. :)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on February 10, 2012, 06:38:22 PM
I'm sure you'll be pleased, you can do a bit of crafty shopping in there when no ones looking, do they stock your size. ;)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on February 10, 2012, 07:05:33 PM
Visions of Pete in a pink bra and knickerset  ::)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on February 10, 2012, 07:11:50 PM
(Makes note to self, never turn my back on Fly)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on February 10, 2012, 07:14:26 PM
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Personally I havent, but a very nice reply post  :D 8)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Alsatian on February 10, 2012, 07:19:27 PM
Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Personally I havent, but a very nice reply post  :D 8)

Shouldn't that be butt?  ;)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on February 10, 2012, 07:22:01 PM
Ha ha ha, bonk
Just laughed my head off  ;)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Scimitar on February 22, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
Peacocks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/16/peacock-past-times-administration (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/16/peacock-past-times-administration)
Staff at Peacocks Chesterfield all made redundant today as of 3pm and store closed, according to a (now ex) staff member. :(
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on February 22, 2012, 09:23:36 PM
That's not good reading !
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: k4blades on February 22, 2012, 10:09:07 PM
Didn't I hear on the radio today that they had been bought out by another firm? Didn't catch who but sounded like the company had been saved, maybe I mis-heard.
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Fly on February 23, 2012, 06:08:52 AM
Isn't that Bon Marche thats been took over ?
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: therealjr on February 23, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
would appear that all sides of this thread are correct.
Peacocks have been bought by Edinburgh Wollen Mills but they are closing 224 stores at a cost of 3,100 jobs and sadly Chesterfield branch is one of them. EWM have been very active in the buy out market recently. They also bought the fashion chain Jane Norman.
BonMarche owned by the same group as Peacocks has not as yet entered administration but the signs for it are apparently not good.

Slacker I'd like to throw this back at you. Your view to save the world is to stimulate the economy because people can't afford luxuries so the shops are shutting.
Now lets take Peacocks as an example. They are hardly at the 'luxury' end of the market so you'd think that people would be using them in preference to places like Next and M&S. Indeed they were said to have returned healthy trading profits but what killed them was £750m worth of DEBTS!!
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Scimitar on May 22, 2012, 04:42:09 PM
TDF on Stephensons Place now has "Closing Down" posters in window. :(
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Gerty Gumdrop on May 22, 2012, 05:02:11 PM
Not sure if my eyes were deceiving me, but as I drove past Yeomans recently, I thought I saw 'Closing Down' posters all over the windows.

If that's right, then that's yet another local institution gone to dust.    :(

Anybody know anything about that? 
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Pete on May 22, 2012, 05:20:49 PM
Touched on it earlier this year Gert:

http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1120.msg6171.html#msg6171 (http://chesterfieldonline.org/index.php/topic,1120.msg6171.html#msg6171)
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Alsatian on June 02, 2012, 12:51:18 PM
I see the old Peacocks shop is due to open on Friday.................................as ANOTHER Pound/land/world/stretcher!
Title: Re: Oops, another shop closing in town.
Post by: Old Cruser on June 02, 2012, 04:37:21 PM
 ???  ::)  :o I think we have enough of em to be honest!!