Northern Gateway

[Slacker]

Details are now available and having been to a presentation it looks pretty good.

Food supermarket (essential to finance development), hotel, cinema, cafes, semi-outdoor seating (protective canopy over parts) and recreation area and 80 houses.

A few negative coments in DT via their Facebook site.

[therealjr]

Details are now available and having been to a presentation it looks pretty good.

Food supermarket (essential to finance development),

Will kill the Co-op and unless there is a lot of parking being created somewhere how will you use it?

hotel,

Do we have enough visitors to warrant the hotels we already have?

cinema,

Again do we have enough cinema goers to support two cinemas?

cafes,

Egg and chips?

semi-outdoor seating (protective canopy over parts)

for the idiots to congregate in and vandalise presumably

recreation area 

That description covers a multitude of sins

80 houses.

Nice place to live!!!

A few negative coments in DT via their Facebook site.

Think you might get a few on here as well !!
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[Slacker]

700-800 parking spaces
Several cinema companies interested so they must anticipate demand, presume similar with hotel
From what I've seen of the modenised part of Sheff and the Centertainment area they don't seem to get vandalised as much as the run down areas.
Houses close to town such as Donkins area seem ok, don't see any less demand than for Saltergate ones

Looks good an artist impression anyway

[Pete]

Ironic that Labour will kill the Co-operative...

[therealjr]

Not ironic at all merely indicative of how far Labour have moved to the right, away from their traditional roots.

[Slacker]

Only as small part of the co-op is the food side. Rather than killing co-op it should draw people up to that end of town being on the route from the new development to the pavements.

Don't people want improvements to the town (that multi storey is long past its sell-by date)? Would people prefer CFC to be still at Saltergate than theProact (or whatever its new name will be) ?

[k4blades]

So nothing new and original, not much thought put into it.
Just because other cinema groups are interested, doesn't mean there is enough demand, they will want to open with the intention of closing down the other one, so not good for Chesterfield. I don't think there is enough demand for 2 cinemas, Crystal Peaks couldn't generate enough demand for 1 when they had one.

And do we really need another supermarket. What about a specialist food court to compliment the market, with a permenant farmers market, etc.

And the parking spaces need to be free or cheap or they will be a waste of time. Somehow, I doubt they will be.   

[therealjr]

Only as small part of the co-op is the food side. Rather than killing co-op it should draw people up to that end of town being on the route from the new development to the pavements.

It will draw people who only have a finite amount of money to spend. That being the case it will kill the Pavements and Vicar Lane in the same way that when it was first opened the Pavements killed off Cavendish Street/ Stephensons Place.

Don't people want improvements to the town (that multi storey is long past its sell-by date)? Would people prefer CFC to be still at Saltergate than theProact (or whatever its new name will be) ?

As usual from you a totally bogus analogy. If Tesco were going to close their Whittington Moor branch and move to the town centre then yes you would be right. But what you are suggesting is another team setting up at the B2Net and Chesterfield FC having to survive at Saltergate in the face of that competition.

The truth of the matter is in the DT article. The scheme needs a major player committing to it in order to go ahead. There is only one major player who can and that is Asda. The council don't care what effect that has on the rest of the town just as long as they get their shiny new development that they can all be photographed in when it opens in 2015.
Hang on 2015? That wouldn't be an election year would it?

[Slacker]

An improved town centre can attract a larger catchment area.

If there wasn't a demand for an extra cinema ther wouldn't be companies wanting to open one, they dont go into this blind.

Hopefully the supermarket will be an Asda or Waitrose (though I do not have inside info on this so it will only be coincidence if it is)

I would encourage people to visit the exhibitions, the artists' impressions looked good

Nobody sees this as an election issue, major developments don't happen overnight. Councillor of the 3 political persuasions, though with different ideas, want the best for the town

[therealjr]

The Supermarket WILL be Asda, the client base doesn't exist in Chesterfield to support a Waitrose nor do they buid stores of this size.
Average Waitrose size is 18000 sq ft.
T**** is 120,000!!!
We are now 60k.

There's an Asda at Sutton and Handsworth, there's no large catchment waiting to be brought into the Town. All it will do is dilute the trade between the current players. It will further kill off the small traders.

It's typical Chesterfield, don't build anything new just add more of the same.

[Pete]

Actually, the food part of the Co-op is one of their more profitable areas.

But more to the point re Chesterfield Co-op is the opening of Debenhams... 

[Salter]

Looks like a great scheme.
Can only see three problems:
1. Which retailers will fill the space? I have it on good authority Asda have withdrawn and Debenhams have gone elsewhere  = no anchors = no development?
2. The road system looks inadquate to cope with this already congested area?
3. What will happen to car parking during the construction phase - if we lose the donut, multi-storey and all day parks it could kill the town centre (is car parking Chesterfield's biggest problem?)?
Be interesting to see who comes forward - hope they do or the NG will spend another 15 years in the planning.

[simondjuk]

whereabouts is this likely to be?

[k4blades]

An improved town centre can attract a larger catchment area.

If there wasn't a demand for an extra cinema ther wouldn't be companies wanting to open one, they dont go into this blind.

Hopefully the supermarket will be an Asda or Waitrose (though I do not have inside info on this so it will only be coincidence if it is)

I would encourage people to visit the exhibitions, the artists' impressions looked good

Nobody sees this as an election issue, major developments don't happen overnight. Councillor of the 3 political persuasions, though with different ideas, want the best for the town

Its typical Labour thinking....new shiny building projects which they think makes everything look good, when all they are doing is creating a gloss to cover up the fact that it will force businesses to close.
Just like they spent millions on new school buildings but educational standards decrease.
Having 2 cinemas doesn't mean twice as many people will go to the cinema, it will just put the existing one under financial pressure.
Just because someone objects to "more of the same" it doesn't mean they oppose development, what people want is something else thats adds to, or compliments what we have already, not something that just creates lots of good spin for politicians.

[Old Cruser]

I for one don't think there is room for two cinema's in Chesterfield, we go to cineworld and it's rarely the we have been in a full seated screen (I can remeber twice over the years). I wonder if the existing cinema might move?? It's a nightmare there at times purley because of the design of the road with McDonalds drive through creating a back log of traffic at times.
As someone else has said --- where is the parking space to be? It's quite a built up area, are they to knock buildings down around it?