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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2012, 01:25:05 PM »
4) The rich will pull us out of this mess when they consider it is worth the risk which it isn't at the moment. The rich, and that includes big business who are sitting on billions in reserves, won't spend because they know what turmoil lies ahead when countries and banks go bankrupt, which they will with the Euro crisis and Govts failure to deal with debt/spending. They didn't get rich by being stupid, they know when and how to invest, unlike politicians.

And as for who's rich and who's poor.
Kids climbing over rubbish tips in India looking for scraps to live off because he has no home, education or health care is poor.
A man in China who has to work in a sweatshop for 80 hours a week for £5.00 and no rights is poor.
An African woman who risks getting Aids by having 10 babies because she knows 5 of them will die before the age of 2 is poor.
A teacher whinging about their pension rights isn't poor, they are just greedy.
Someone on benefits whinging about them being cut while they spend their days sat on their arses playing a game console on a flat screen TV isn't poor, they are just lazy.

And if the African womans husband wants to sell me a bag of coal which he has spent 15 hours a day digging up with his bare hands, and he offers it me cheaper than some whinger who resents the fact that "some Tory Toff" has got more than him, guess who I'm going to buy it from. 
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2012, 01:48:21 PM »
1) >> Yes, you do start a lot of topics, but they are always of a left leaning slant
Then you start some topics with a right leaning slant - if you can find any.

2) >> as I keep mentioning, it was Brown who slagged off one of his own voters because she mentioned immigration - I'm not a Labour supporter - see above.

3) If you knew anything at all about Margaret Thatcher you will know that she had a personal vendetta against the miners union because of Scargill's success with his flying pickets that brought down Ted Heath's government. It's well documented, I'm surprised you never read about it.

>> if you want money, you need private enterprise to create that money.
Tell that to Lloyds bank. I've had a business account with them for 22 years. I have never gone over my overdraft and the last four years I have stayed in the black. So why did they cancel my overdraft last year? Because the bank doesn't want to take any risks, something businessmen like me do all the time.

I'll mention sucking eggs in another post.  :P
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2012, 02:15:06 PM »
1) >> Yes, you do start a lot of topics, but they are always of a left leaning slant
Then you start some topics with a right leaning slant - if you can find any.

I'm not driven by constantly attacking other people, I just like correcting other people mistakes. ;)
I do start topics, but maybe I just don't have a smuch time as you.


2) >> as I keep mentioning, it was Brown who slagged off one of his own voters because she mentioned immigration - I'm not a Labour supporter - see above.

That wasn't the point I was making.

3) If you knew anything at all about Margaret Thatcher you will know that she had a personal vendetta against the miners union because of Scargill's success with his flying pickets that brought down Ted Heath's government. It's well documented, I'm surprised you never read about it.

Again, left leaning. Some would say she would have been glad of Heaths demise, it lead to her getting the job. Steel workers, dockers, etc, etc, would all claim she had a vendetta against them too, because to actually stop and consider the economics  behind some of her decisions is asking too much when theres an axe to grind.

>> if you want money, you need private enterprise to create that money.
Tell that to Lloyds bank. I've had a business account with them for 22 years. I have never gone over my overdraft and the last four years I have stayed in the black. So why did they cancel my overdraft last year? Because the bank doesn't want to take any risks, something businessmen like me do all the time.

Proves my point, BofE have poored billions into the banks with QE to encourage lending, which they aren't doing because they are building up their reserves, google how much cash reserves Lloyds has, they will have the money but if things go belly up, hey may need bailing out, and then people moan because the banks are being bailed out. You can't have it both ways.

I'll mention sucking eggs in another post.  :P

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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2012, 08:12:57 PM »
@Cchris Re: pot/kettle
Every gov blames the one before. I meant did the last tory gov think 'Oh well', we lost this election.
We'll just have to wait till we get another term in office and make the rich richer again.
Just like I thought the last Lab gov would look after the working class, which, as far as I feel, they didn't do as much as I expected.

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and those who chose to stand around fire pits shouting obscenities at those who went to work are still harping back and blaming Maggie for their p**s poor lot in life.

Men and women were fighting against a gov about pit closures. It was their lives the gov was messing about with.
You weren't there, didn't see it. Have you read it in a book, have you spoke to miners, asked their comments.
Have you studied it. Well here's my p**s poor lot in life. Probably started about the time you were leaving school.

I was working at the pit. Met someone, got a mortgage, house, car etc.
8 years after the strike, after earning good money for my toils in a dirty/filthy/damp/dark sometimes hell hole of a place,
I was made redundant. 1993. I got about 1 years wage worth of redundancy payment.
This was the same week my son was born, 7 week premature. This sort of puts you on a downer.
My partner at that time was suffering from medical problems and not working.
For the next year we plodded on, paying the bills, me looking unsucessfully for employment, and watching the money go.
I was going down even deeper.
I enrolled on a year long computer course, 9 to 5, in Sheffield, I lived in Bolsover so lots of commuting and costs, trying to gain some further qualifications to back up the numerous GCE and CSE's I'd attained at school. I'd done reasonably well at school and could have stayed on through sixth form, maybe even uni.
(Working at the pit had always been number 1 for me though. (Family tradition, plus a job straight from school.)
I stuck the year out, passed the NVQ, plus a C&G, still looking for employment, still no success.
By now I was feeling really low, 2 years without a job, a son with slight learning difficulties.
1995. My daughter was born.
She was born with Bilateral Choanal atresia. Operated on in Sheff Childrens Hospital at a day old.
Over the next six months we were to-ing and fro-ing to Sheff for more operations on her, doctors, specialists etc,
it all became too much, me and my partner split. She took the kids.
She got a council house.
I was getting the mortgage paid, but couldn't pay the bills on my own. The house was reposessed.
I'd lost everything. And had nothing.
Can't get much more down can I.
I finally got a part time taxi driving job. Over the next 6 months this turned into full time. A job's a job.
Then I met Our_Lass,
My life was back on the up.
1998, my dad died aged 53.
That was a serious blow, but I'd got Our_Lass for support.
'She', got me through it.

My life had been taking a downward spiral for 3 years after losing my job at the pit.
Why am I a tory basher, cos I hate with vengance the type of comment I quoted you as saying at the top of this post.
The miners and Scargill may have been wrong, perhaps the pit's weren't financially viable. I may be deluded.
But coming from someone who was 6 at the time  ::)

Just for the record, I don't read any news papers, they're all full of sh**, I just start news threads from google news.
Irrespective of what paper they are from.

I don't always agree with Pete either. But I don't slag him off in public.
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2012, 10:47:45 PM »
I appreciate your reply Chris, deluded I might have been. And the other miners too.
'We' didn't see it that way then. It was our lives.

Perhaps we're still deluded 25 years later.

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I learnt about Henry the Fifth in secondary school, but the person who taught me wasn't born in 1367.  So I fail to see the relevance of that point.

I was taught about Henry VIII, and how he changed, or created, another religion to suit himself.
Don't the Tory party and the royals have some kind of connection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

Oops sorry. Wrong wiki link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tory_(British_political_party)




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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2012, 11:24:46 PM »
>> We could easily open up the pits again...

Really, I thought they fell into bad repair quite quickly, especially prone to flooding.
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2012, 11:26:58 PM »
I don't fish. Our_lass does.  ;)

So you're saying the Tory gov 'let' the miners strike for a year.
But were never going to back down ? Nice.

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then we could easily open up the pits again and use our own resources to reduce our reliance on other nations for our energy.  Thats something I would like to see.

Me too, So now you agree we could be self sufficient as regards coal. Why did they shut the pits then ???
Am I wrong in using the word hypocrite. ?

Just realised Pete has posted before me. Doesn't and wont change my mind. Or my thoughts.

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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2012, 11:53:46 PM »
Cuba sounds nice - Caribbean Island. :)

North Korea is different story, it is an evil, really evil regime. Whether it will change under  Kim Jong Un is anybody's guess.

Yep, the Caribbean might suit me - as George Galloway's cigar buyer. :)
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« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2012, 12:04:27 AM »
Sorry mate, didn't realise you came from a criminal background...

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« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2012, 12:16:01 AM »
Ha! Love it :)

So you must be son of Derek Trotter...

Interesting concept
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