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Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« on: September 05, 2012, 07:45:55 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19484126

I think maybe, there's a lot of interest in this project.
At the end of the day, the airport was there before a lot of the surrounding houses.
Sorry if this upsets the NIMBY's of Heathrow.
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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 10:21:54 PM »
I suspect he will, but "Boris Island" makes more sense, I don't think he has the courage and vision for that option.

Odd that he has said that its time to "stop the dithering" and "now is the time for action", then he announces a review meaning nothing will happen until after this parliament. MOUSE! I think.

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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2012, 10:27:04 PM »
He'd already announced that there would be no decision on Heathrow in this parliament. To make a U turn now would give his opponents even more political capital. So the review serves his purpose to stall.
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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2012, 08:47:15 AM »
Not for or against this at the present time apart from I reckon Heathrow needs to prove they can manage what they've got already before they start adding another one.
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2012, 09:12:36 AM »
He'd already announced that there would be no decision on Heathrow in this parliament. To make a U turn now would give his opponents even more political capital. So the review serves his purpose to stall.
But doesn't serve the prupose of the business community who say we need more capacity, or the unemployed that would benefit from the jobs created.

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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2012, 09:22:14 AM »
I watched a programme the other night about the building of Hong Kong International airport, which involved building an island, many miles of new dual carriageway, much of it on stlits over the existing city, one of the worlds biggest suspension bridges, a new rail line, under sea tunnels, a new underground metro line and terminal, etc. All done is 7 years.
Some of the technical details involved were staggering but it shows whats possible.

And to go even more off topic, many have suggested the Boris could replace Cameron as leader of the Tories at some point, especially if Cameron's ratings don't improve. Maybe this issue could be the deal breaker if come the next election Cameron wants to go for third runway option, and Boris doesn't. Handbags at the ready.

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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2012, 11:47:53 AM »
true, but look how much we've just spent on a few weeks of sport.
I think the other thing is that apart from the direct benefits of such a project, it is a great advertisement to others around the world, just what we can do in this country. Reputation is everything.
Going back to the car industry, we had a terrible record in the 70s, but that has now been turned around, so businesses invest here. We need to do the same with other sectors of the economy so that we are not so dependent on banking / service sector and we need to draw in investment from the far east and south America. Cameron keeps saying "we are open for business" so lets prove what we are capable of, instead of getting bogged down in years of enquiries, surveys, reports and red tape, blah, blah blah....

It goes without saying though, it can't be public funded, but there are ways to deal with that if the intention is there.

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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2012, 12:28:50 PM »
I don't see the point of these discussions if the bottom line is that we can't compete with places like China on workers wages. :)

I think the UK's greatest hope lies in specialising - ie, we are good at finance, and that needs nurturing and equally important, creation. We have inventors, architects, creatives, etc. We can invent and market, but have to have products manufactured abroad. And unless you can get rid of a lot of unskilled people who won't have jobs, then we will stay in limbo.

If that makes sense.
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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2012, 01:07:05 PM »
>> How do we nurture finance whilst living in a culture of "bash the bankers".   It would seem that its very popular to bash capitalism, but at the same time provide no answers as to where we generate our money from without it.

Come on Chris, be fair, I've never suggested, in a serious thread, that we should bash the bankers. But some of them have been naughty and have been caught. Surely you're not suggesting that top bankers are above the law?
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Re: Will Cameron back down on 'NO' new runway at Heathrow ?
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 01:28:25 PM »
Agree with that.

As to the other example, I am fully aware of the situation as I had a print business in the 1990s.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 02:08:04 PM »
I don't see the point of these discussions if the bottom line is that we can't compete with places like China on workers wages. :)

I think the UK's greatest hope lies in specialising - ie, we are good at finance, and that needs nurturing and equally important, creation. We have inventors, architects, creatives, etc. We can invent and market, but have to have products manufactured abroad. And unless you can get rid of a lot of unskilled people who won't have jobs, then we will stay in limbo.

If that makes sense.

I once heard BBC reporter Euan Davies make that point.
He said that "once we used to have factories where people spent their days making biscuits. Now we have offices where people market and brand the biscuits that are now made abroad"
He made the comment selling it as a good thing.
I totally disagree. developing a brand takes a few people an afternoon sat round a desk. making the biscuits relies on a production line operating 5 days a week for 8 hours a day, (or more likely 24/7 these days).
What is more, we have to accept that not everyone is right for these soft-skilled jobs, its the thinking of cloud cuckoo land and IMHO is why we have an underclass of millions who can't get jobs.
When I was young, people from my background left school with few qualifications and went straight down t'pit, or into the steelworks, hard and dirty work, but a job for life it seemed, and a decent wage. Those people are still there, but the "unskilled" jobs aren't, so we encourage people to go to Uni and con them into thinking they can get a job in an office and earn lots of money...but not everyone is suitable for office work, or wants to go to Uni, and its become so much part of our society that if you asked a young person today to go and spend 8 hours in the dark, on their knees, to earn a wage, they would run a mile, so opt for benefits because its all thats left for them.

There is no easy answer, and there are lots of causes, but the main thing is that we have priced ourselves out of the market, with the minimum wage, pensions, etc...all stuff Chinese workers don't have so I do think there needs to be a balancing where we make it labour costs cheaper in this country and that includes removing the minimum wage. Over the past generation we've pushed up costs, and then subsidised peoples living by such things as tax credits, which then means taxing people more to pay for it and its a visious circle.  Let the market control wages, but reduce taxes more so that those on low incomes can afford to live.

We also need to look at the other side as well, and encourage the Chinese / Indians etc, to improve their working standards, etc. How can India spend millions on a space programme when they have such abject poverty.Of course, they will resist, but bit by bit things will change and in a global market, they will see that in 30 or 40 years time, they could be where we are now, and they could be losing all there work to the African continent...so it needs global agreement on some basic practices for example.

All this might seem pie in the sky, but you have to take a long term look at things, some people for example, blame Thatcher for todays wrongs but that was 30 odd years ago, so work on that time frame, where do you want us to be in 30 years time. The problem is our modern day politicians are only interested in the headline in tomorrows paper. 

   

 

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