Lee Rigby was His Death Preventable?

[ironsky2]

I don't think the forces can be completely protected over here from this kind of thing.
This was a very unfortunate incident which sadly cost the life of Lee, how can 'all of them' be protected around the clock even with a for warning on the net?
We are supposed to be a 'free country' to move around as we wish.
The murdering bullies shouldn't be allowed to win by our authorities by containing where and when our forces people can go.
Maybe a tightening up of who come into our country and eradicating others back to where they came from would help.

This may sound odd, but I feel sad for the Muslims living in this country who are decent people and do not agree with this - what shame they must feel about others who are worse than animals and Muslim.

I have no sympathy for Muslims nor a fan of them !

[Pete]

What, all of them?

[Fly]

'You' posted that comment ironsky2 !

I'll leave it where it is so people can see it. It's not a view I, or the forum, share. 

[therealjr]

Fly: define the word 'forum'?

[ironsky2]

'You' posted that comment ironsky2 !

I'll leave it where it is so people can see it. It's not a view I, or the forum, share. 

No skin off my nose Fly but everyone has the right of opinion good or bad .

[ironsky2]

What, all of them?

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[Fly]

@JR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

@ ironsky: I found the comment a bit out of the norm.
If you think I'm wrong then fine. I stand corrected. I'm only human 

[ironsky2]

This forum like any other Internet forum is a place of debate and discussion ( with in reason) everyone has different opinions on different subjects there are bound to be times we don't agree on things but that makes it interesting. I often see Pete posting about his dislike of the Tory party some will agree with him others not or his posts on American political system sometimes I agree with what's been said others not but respect his rights to have that view point. We will leave it at that. I really do hope the Lee Rigby murder was a one off no one should die like that but its difficult to prevent such actions by such driven people.

[therealjr]

@JR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_forum

Lol

My query was were you saying that all members of the forum shared your view? Or all the mods?

[Scimitar]

What, all of them?

I guess it's "lucky" we have no Muslim membership (as far as I know) on this forum. Personally, I wish we did

[Old Cruser]

I can identify with ironsky's comments, although I don't share them as there are good and bad in every religion, also I was involved at one time with a lovely muslim family for my work. We all got on very well.

When I say I can identify with ironsky's statement I meant that my late father had a deep dislike for all Jews. This stemmed from his time spent overseas in the second WW. I think my fathers experiences and encounters went very deep and he just couldn't forgive for what he and his comrades went through.

My grandfather also had a complete dislike for the Irish, I never did know why as this for him was totally out of character, he was such a kind mild mannered and quiet person. I can only surmise it was because of what was happening in Ireland at that time.

Ironsky has told us he was in Iraq we know how bad that was for our men/women. We as civvies won't have a clue and can only guess.
Sometimes things happen and the hurt and anger go very deep.

Maybe this why ironsky feels this way.

Sorry ironsky, I'm just guessing on your behalf.

[therealjr]

The issue becomes even more confusing when they start fighting amongst themselves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30250950

[silversbrooch]

Only preventable if we didn't get ourselves a reputation as a soft touch country.

How long did it take to do anything about the hook handed preacher spouting hatred for years on end.

Were too reactive rather than proactive.

I doubt these people went straight from example citizens to killing in the street. But not until after the sh*t hit the fan did anyone start asking questions.  Probably to afraid of being branded racist to do anything.  Just like the Rotherham child abuse cases.  To afraid of the PC rule to say or do anything before its too late.

[Scimitar]

I have no sympathy for Muslims nor a fan of them !

I stand corrected. I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. They must have witnessed stuff we cant even imagine. Some say it goes with the job, but its not like a 9 to 5 job where you leave work problems in the workplace. Some memories can't be eradicated just like that.
Its not everyone's opinion, but I understand why you said what you said.

[Old Cruser]

I stand corrected. I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. They must have witnessed stuff we cant even imagine. Some say it goes with the job, but its not like a 9 to 5 job where you leave work problems in the workplace. Some memories can't be eradicated just like that.
Its not everyone's opinion, but I understand why you said what you said.

Sounds as if we are on similar wave lengths then scimitar.

The people who lived horrors of war are going to have possibly some strong and maybe as we see it 'negative' thoughts/feelings.
Wonder how we would be after a stint in a place like Iraq.